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about his on-again off-again

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relationship with Lucifer I don't know

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NIC's experienced a lot of pain in his

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life of course he didn't have to go

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ahead and become a serial killer did he

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for those of you who've been following

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the last few episodes of skeptic oh you

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know I've taken this deep dive into evil

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now not all the sinners have taken that

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dive with me there's been a lot of

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unsubscribing along the way and I get

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that but I still maintain that this evil

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thing might be one of the best lenses we

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have for coming to grips with our

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relationship with this extended

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consciousness realm and while I haven't

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until this point offered my personal

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working hypothesis on the nature of evil

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I might lean on those script writers

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from Supernatural and use Nick's quote I

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don't want to feel now what I didn't

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feel then I mean maybe that's what this

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evil thing is about escaping feelings

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escaping energy that doesn't fit the way

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we want it to fit and even if the

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actions and behaviors that leads us to

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seem wicked and evil to everyone else

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they at least get rid of those feelings

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for a little while but what about evil

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that extends beyond our personal domain

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what about today's guest John Brisson

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and his deep and amazingly thorough

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investigation of the finders cult a

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group with undeniable links to the CIA

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FBI and high-level intelligence

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organizations in our government and a

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group whose purpose seemed to be the

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cultivation of the Jeffrey Epstein esque

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sexual blackmailing network that could

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be used for intelligence gathering what

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are we to make of this kind of

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institutionalized evil I don't know but

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maybe the first step is to take a good

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long look

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here's a clip from my interview with

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John you know labels are important

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because they're the way people

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understand it and people are gonna

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pigeonhole you is a conspiracy theorist

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especially when you come out yourself

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and call yourself that and maybe that's

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a good thing but I'm doing my best just

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to own it because that's what people are

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gonna call me as where as as an

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investigative journalist I guess would

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be a better way of putting it as far as

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the Finers case is concerned I am

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bringing new documents to the table that

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were not previously seen like Ramon Jay

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Martinez's whistleblower complaint I am

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interviewing people to have not

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previously been interviewed before or at

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least information had not been released

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like you know people pertained to the

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finders case like a prosecuting attorney

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Willie Meg's or or US Customs John

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Sullivan or Ramon Jay Martinez's partner

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Bob Harold and so I am moving this case

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further than the information that was

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previously given to us by other

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researchers so that is true

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investigative journalism that is true

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following the leads and following the

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information as it goes

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stay with us for skeptic Oh

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welcome to skeptical where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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I'm your host Alex Karras and as you

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know I'm always impressed by independent

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researchers who managed to make

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monumental contributions to our

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understanding the world without any

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institutional support with barely any

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financial support and usually while

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battling against forces that seek to

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keep us locked in to whatever prevailing

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narrative they want I mean consider

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today's guest John Brisson and what he

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brings to this ongoing discussion I've

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been having about the nature of evil

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so I'll just remind you if you've been

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journey you know I've talked to some

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very legitimate experts on the topic

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highly respected religious professors

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like Jeff [\h__\h] Hugh Urban top-notch

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anthropologists like brian hayden and

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gregory shushan these are real

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legitimate academics who are going to

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conferences publishing papers and are

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being supported by major institutions

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major universities and you know IBM

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of Dean Radin and Rupert Sheldrake but

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disappointed to find that these folks

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are I don't know they just seem to be

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unwilling to look at the deep abyss that

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goes with the data the compelling data

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that forces us to confront the reality

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of some benevolent forces that are in

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this extended consciousness realm to put

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it in kind of skeptical terms so back

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today today's guest John Burris and who

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YouTube channel called we've read the

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documents which usually features John

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reading documents offered secret

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documents that have been released

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through FOIA requests but John is also

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the author of an upcoming book on the

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finders cult an organization with not

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just provable links to satanic ritual

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abuse but unfortunately provable and I'm

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improvable

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he's got the documents links to United

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States intelligence organizations like

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the CIA and the FBI who were tapping

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into this evil in order to compromise

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foreign diplomats and other individuals

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they wanted to control through blackmail

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through sexual blackmail and that's

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going to be a topic we're going to talk

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a great deal about today so you know

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talking before this and this is gonna be

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a rough ride for a lot of people I know

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a lot of people have already tuned off

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they saw the title or whatever and

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they're not going to listen to this I

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know in my own personal life very few

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people I can talk to about this people

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in my family I can't talk to you about

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this they shut down they just no matter

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you can pile the data why deny it don't

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matter man they don't want to go there

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John and his approach his methodology

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data checking his sources but he's also

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willing to go there John it's great to

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have you back on skeptical thanks so

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much for joining me and listening to

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that long introduction thank you very

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much for having me back on Alex I'm very

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welcome to come back on skeptical and

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discuss this you know issue and it's a

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ritual abuse and government institutions

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being involved in it and how very

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actually widespread it is and we do have

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documentation I know there are many you

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know claims that can be made about these

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different cases whether it's

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the Franklin scandal or big Martin

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preschool or the finders and some are

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very hard to substantiate and the claims

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that have been made in these cases but I

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do believe at the bare minimum with a

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majority of these cases that children

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were abused at the bare minimum and at

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the grand maximum it was ritual abuse by

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the highest levels of governments around

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the world now John I know where you're

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minimum the maximum and all this it's

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like no what we're talking about here is

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unimaginable for most people and what I

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think you reveal and you've been a big

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part of you know like I say I contacted

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you a couple of months instead hey I

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want to dig into this satanic ritual

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abuse thing and I want to know if

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there's any reality to it and it's funny

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up on the screen like an interview I did

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with FBI undercover agent Bob hammer who

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on his last project infiltrated mammoth

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the man-boy love Association which

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motive muslimists know from the the

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craziness that they portrayed it in

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South Park but it's a real organization

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and I've told the story before but now

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hearing the passion and emotional anger

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in this FBI agents voice when he said he

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was recounting being in New York in

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Manhattan and going on again he's

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undercover with these pedophiles and

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he's in New York City at Toys R Us and

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they're leaning over the rail talking

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about the violence that they and sex

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acts but also connected with violence

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that they want to perpetrate on these

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kids that they see playing these are our

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now but you know these are five year old

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kids and the horrible things that these

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guys want to do and at the time you know

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because it was about evil it was about

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people who want to deny that evil even

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exists you know and hear that people are

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denying that this stuff exists but

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happening is satanic ritual abuse

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against children really something that's

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happening because when you google it

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the first freaking 100 entries are about

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satanic panic yes they are and then tell

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folks a little bit about a book that

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you've referenced called the witch hunt

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narrative I have a right here in my hand

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it was written by Rossi Chet who is a

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professor Brown University and the

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reason what it was the Ivy League

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professors the reason why I wanted to

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frame it like I do in that is because

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it's so hard for people to realize how

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evil or how deep this goes that the

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label is a witch hunt which completely

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negates the victims of all these cases

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that were abused and made it seem like

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they were not abused at all so that's

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why I usually frame it you know he

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frames it from this - this book is not

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conspiratorial at all in the slightest

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bit it does not really tackle the ritual

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sexual abuse side of things of how dark

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things and how evil things can get this

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which is one of the cases that I'm

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investigating in I've gotten the store

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afford or police department records and

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the court records about James towered

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and how they label his case is a satanic

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panic but it is obvious from when you

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court documents that James tower he was

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you know he he was right in his

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conviction as well as I was even uphold

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by psychiatrists later who said that

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tower was likely to offend if he was to

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be released from prison information on

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pick through your stuff and I ganna have

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to alert people cuz we're just gonna tap

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we're gonna dip into this yes and if

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listen to some of the interviews that

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you've done and you're writing a book

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under the finders cult which we're going

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to talk about in a minute which plays

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into this as well but I kind of wanted

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to alert people to the kind of

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interviews that you do John cuz like you

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did one of you did an interview with an

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investigator yes from this Glendale

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Montessori case Henry Clements so this

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is someone who was boots on the ground

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called in by law enforcement to

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investigate this Montessori School and

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he finds evidence of satanic ritual

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abuse so he finds doors that can only be

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locked from the outside and the lock is

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like eight feet up so that the kids

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can't reach it or six feet up I should

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say he finds chloroform he finds all

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this stuff that the investigators kind

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of suspected but didn't find and he

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finds it they're relying on him and he

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had a kid it went there and it's like

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verified and then when you're

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referencing back to this book by this

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Brown University professor one of the

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one of the cases that everyone's heard

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about is McMartin preschool even my wife

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was a forensic psychologist she's

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bashing me she goes yeah like that fake

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McMartin preschool satanic panic thing

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and I like I go go do it then we can do

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this go to Amazon and look inside you

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know like you can don't even have to buy

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the book he has it documented their

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physicians the physicians that that did

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medical exams on the McMartin kids and

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said there's physical evidence that we

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normally associate with sexual activity

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for a three and a half year old and it's

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not the parents because the kid is

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saying it was my teacher so this whole

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satanic panic thing is an orchestrated

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lie to pull our attention away from

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what's going on I mean you know look at

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Oliver Stone's directed movie about

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McMartin preschool in with James Woods

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it's all by design you know they frame

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McMartin as those expensive trial that

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never

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to a single conviction you know

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therefore Raymond Buckey is innocent and

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he you know never did anything wrong

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when you read the witch-hunt narrative

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Rossi Chet again it's not going to

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discuss the actual satanic ritual abuse

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that I believe that went on in Mid

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Martin it's not going to discuss that

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per se but it's gonna discuss the actual

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forensic evidence that children were

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molested by Raymond Buckey there's

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enough medical evidence in here to show

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that that Judy Johnson was not some

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crackpot alcoholic mother who just you

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know started this whole theory to

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slander the McMartin preschool that she

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was driven to alcoholism by people

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attacking her and slamming her character

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which she later later died from the

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evidence in here directly

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Judy Johnson's son was sodomized by

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Raymond Buckey this is a kid who if I

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remember right is three-and-a-half years

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old and comes home and can't even

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verbalize it in sexual terms but it's

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kind of describing these things that are

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going on at the school and the mom

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totally flips but Leiper saying first

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thing she does is what a parent would do

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take him yes he D attrition and the

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pediatrician says yeah this kid's been

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sexually molested but it was even more

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than that he she took him to dr. Scott

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McGarry who was like you know kind of

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like a um like the child's you know

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doctor and he said well yeah this is

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really bad because he's you know

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bleeding from the anus you need to take

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him to UCLA so they take him to the

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Marion Davies Children's Clinic at UCLA

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and you know both dr. Linda Gordon and

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dr. gene H Simpson salary who are both

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you know P attrition is you know salary

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you know graduated from John Hopkins had

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five years experience in pediatrics they

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come to inclusion that was fairly

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significant findings of sexual abuse and

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even later a doctor that was hired by

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the defense came to the same conclusion

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to as well that Matthew Johnson was

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severely anally molested so it's all

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there but yet you know cording to you

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know Nathan and Shai Decker's book about

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it all being a witch hunt you know it

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was a young intern that examined Matthew

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Johnson no it wasn't these are esteemed

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doctor

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I mean it was it just some intern that

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examined him you know it's not even that

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there were Steve doctors they're just

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doctors doing their job yeah yeah so

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it's like a parent taking a kid in and

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saying what's wrong with my kid and

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[\h__\h] you know this I've seen this

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before this isn't good and and then it

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leads to a police investigation the

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police get in they say oh we've seen

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this [\h__\h] before this isn't good

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so again pulling back you know because

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you're into documentation and proof but

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we always have to pull back too yeah the

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controlled narrative why is the

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narrative so strongly strongly on this

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crazy idea that this is all panic this

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is not real when it's so easily or

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relatively easily if you can get past it

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you're programming the obviously

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provable by these documents and that's

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what I wanted so let me shift gears for

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a minute no one most of the people

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listening this show unless they followed

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your work which is fantastic

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know anything about the finders cult and

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this is going to blow people away but

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it's also going to catapult us right in

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the middle of events that are unfolding

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today in terms of a term that you use

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called the peda cracy but tell us back

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up take a big breath tell us how you

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even got interested in looking at the

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finders cult because let me pause again

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because I wanted to vention this you

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know John you've been on skeptical

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before for fix your gut which is a book

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that you wrote and that's how I

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originally found you because I had had

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medical problems that led me to you I

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found your research which you did kind

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of driven by a personal tragedy that you

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had experienced in your family with kind

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of mainstream medicine that led you to

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look for some kind of alternative routes

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totally on top of the information I

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found your research to be incredibly

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useful supported by the real research

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that's out there and

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you know I really enjoyed you coming on

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people can find that I even referred you

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to my daughter and you kind of helped

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her so I know the kind of work you've

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done and people like know you from the

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fix your gut book that you wrote and the

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work and interviews that you've done on

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that can you tell us how that even led

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or what was behind this new kind of

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investigation you've been doing into

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this evil that is these crimes against

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children it's actually not new I just

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had come out with doing a YouTube

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channel and doing interviews out in the

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public about my knowledge of

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conspiracies YouTube channels started

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about eight months ago of me actually

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being public and me actually doing

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something with the knowledge that I had

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but my father was a conspiracy theorist

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I grew up you know just you know I was I

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was a neoconservative at the time I had

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my grandfather's political beliefs and I

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thought my father was a little bit crazy

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and a lot of things that he believed in

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god I wish I could tell him now if he

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was still living all right he was about

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the world but so I I mean I I knew you

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know JFK assassination was a government

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plot and but I still I couldn't wrap my

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head around it I didn't believe you know

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what my father was telling me or not to

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trust what happened at 9/11 and stuff

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like that everything so I'd always had

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that basis and I listened to Alex Jones

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about 2008 one night I also seen a coast

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to coast am very late and he started

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breaking down of how 9/11 was an inside

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job and so from there I started you know

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looking into researching conspiracies

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and around that time to Alex Jones had

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Joel Wallach on you know who talks a lot

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about natural health and so that got me

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into natural health so I was around the

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same time that I started doing both or

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researching both and I've been a

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researcher for both ever since now as

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far as you know fix your gut yeah I

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started that you know actually making

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you know a business and helping people

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and coaching and writing books and stuff

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like that long before I've done anything

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with conspiracy just because I felt

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compelled to do so my own self being ill

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me you know losing both my parents when

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I was

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young to illness and you know losing a

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son trying to help him with the

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condition that he had you know and

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everything and so I was you know very

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compelled to do that but then eventually

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I was like well I might as well release

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the conspiracy research I'm doing too as

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well so I just started coming out with

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that I mean some of my first interviews

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something yeah they were a fixture gut

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related but some of them are also

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conspiracy going back to 2016 so it's

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always been both it's just now that I'm

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actually putting my research out there

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is really the only difference what I see

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in your research is again an independent

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researcher who's just following the data

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and trying to get the bottom of things

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and I hate lonely you know labels are

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important because they're the way people

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understand it and people are gonna

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pigeonhole you as a conspiracy theorists

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especially when you come out yourself

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and call yourself that and maybe that's

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a good thing but I'm doing my best just

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to own it cuz that's what people are

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gonna call me as whereas as an

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investigative journalist I guess would

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be a better way of putting it as far as

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the Finers case is concerned I am

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bringing new documents to the table that

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were not previously seen like Ramon Jay

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Martinez's whistleblower complaint I am

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interviewing people to have not

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previously been interviewed before or at

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least information had not been released

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like you know people pertained to the

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finders case like a prosecuting attorney

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Willy Meigs or or US Customs John

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Sullivan or Ramone J Martinez's partner

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Bob Harold and so I am moving this case

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further than the information that was

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previously given to us by other

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researchers so that is true

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investigative journalism that is true

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following the leads and following the

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information as it goes now you've just

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kind of done a brain dump on people

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there that's gonna force them to jump

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right in the middle of this so let's go

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back and talk about like for someone

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who's totally uninitiated do government

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intelligence organizations like the CIA

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Mossad FBI

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do they ever use blackmail and can we

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prove that

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that involve the idea of brownstone

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operations or sexual blackmail so we

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have the franklin scandal which has

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implicated at the highest levels of

547
00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:08,950
government of them being blackmailed

548
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:13,720
George HW Bush Ronald Wilson Reagan Bill

549
00:24:19,530 --> 00:24:17,290
Casey of them being around the Nexus of

550
00:24:21,870 --> 00:24:19,540
Lawrence E King that's been reported

551
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:21,880
both in John decamp former Nebraska

552
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:24,880
state senators book the Franklin scandal

553
00:24:28,770 --> 00:24:27,010
Nick Bryant's the Franklin cover-up him

554
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:28,780
being investigated reporter and Henry

555
00:24:34,530 --> 00:24:31,570
Vincent confessions of a DC madam who

556
00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:34,540
was around the Nexus of Lawrence E King

557
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:36,040
and Craig Spence

558
00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:38,620
so in that case it's very well

559
00:24:43,860 --> 00:24:40,630
documented for those who look into it

560
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:43,870
Jeffrey Epstein was just they've been

561
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:47,530
using this template forever why why

562
00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:52,720
would our CIA why would our FBI why

563
00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:55,150
would they blackmail people that's not

564
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,790
in the Constitution they're not supposed

565
00:25:02,790 --> 00:24:59,440
to do that why would they blackmail

566
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:02,800
people let alone sexual blackmail CIA's

567
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:04,510
not supposed to operate in American soil

568
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:08,080
but they still do when people look into

569
00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:11,280
it if they're halfway open to just

570
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:14,590
understanding how power works blackmail

571
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:17,170
is your go-to tool in any respect

572
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:20,530
because if you pay somebody to do

573
00:25:26,550 --> 00:25:24,490
something then you're only go as far as

574
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:26,560
that money goes and if somebody pays

575
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:29,050
them more or if they have enough money

576
00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:30,400
they don't have to do it anymore

577
00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:33,700
exactly particularly sexual blackmail of

578
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:36,430
this kind is just a much more effective

579
00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:38,370
tool it's almost it's almost an

580
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:41,080
irresistible tools to because when we're

581
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:43,450
gonna talk about the finders in and what

582
00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:45,070
they did and the extent to which they

583
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:47,680
got involved with this horrible evil

584
00:25:52,020 --> 00:25:50,500
people are gonna recoil and go no we

585
00:25:54,570 --> 00:25:52,030
wouldn't have done that and it's like

586
00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:54,580
the temptation is super great here to do

587
00:25:58,890 --> 00:25:56,680
sexual blackmail right I mean obviously

588
00:26:00,900 --> 00:25:58,900
I mean what the sexual blackmail comes

589
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:00,910
power you can get people to vote for

590
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,210
whatever you want them to you can use it

591
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:06,400
as a form of initiation that they are

592
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,410
to do so that they're willing to do

593
00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:10,000
other things I mean there's many

594
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,070
different reasons why this black Bell

595
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:14,320
would take place by these intelligence

596
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:15,970
agencies by the highest levels of

597
00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:18,550
government by the world order it's also

598
00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:21,190
a good tool like I mentioned earlier to

599
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:23,590
weed out okay so this person is willing

600
00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:26,290
to do this for example let's say it's as

601
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:29,320
simple as having an affair with another

602
00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:30,610
you know if they're married have an

603
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:32,680
affair well then are they also willing

604
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:35,830
to be you know have sex with underage

605
00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:38,740
children it's the test how far someone

606
00:26:43,290 --> 00:26:40,900
can go and what you can you know hold

607
00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:43,300
against them and use against them it's

608
00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:45,429
all of that it's like a nexus of total

609
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:47,590
control over someone where it's not

610
00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:49,870
constantly having to buy someone off

611
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:52,540
once you have the blackmail once you can

612
00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:57,520
threaten to use it forever so you kind

613
00:27:01,020 --> 00:26:59,050
of mix a couple of different ideas there

614
00:27:02,810 --> 00:27:01,030
and we can't pull all this apart because

615
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:02,820
you're not a law enforcement

616
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:06,640
professional and we can't know for sure

617
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:09,720
what's going on tell us what you do know

618
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:12,880
so back up for a minute what is the

619
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:15,730
finders cult how did you first come

620
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:20,340
across it and then how does it tie in to

621
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:23,790
intelligence organization involvement

622
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:26,710
the finders call is a cult that was

623
00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:29,830
headed by Marian de petty who has many

624
00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:32,350
many connections to Adela gence

625
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:33,340
organizations

626
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:36,610
I ran apartment buildings for OSS

627
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:38,860
members office issues of services during

628
00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:41,290
war to where he would give them you know

629
00:27:45,690 --> 00:27:43,720
rooms some people say to gain

630
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,700
intelligence some people say it was at

631
00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:48,000
the beginning of a brownstone operation

632
00:27:51,210 --> 00:27:50,200
brownstone operation what's a brownstone

633
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:51,220
operation

634
00:27:55,410 --> 00:27:53,170
pretty much blackmail detective Jim

635
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:55,420
Rothstein is that talked about a links

636
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,010
about brownstone operations

637
00:28:01,860 --> 00:27:58,960
Bronson operations is a way that you

638
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:01,870
bring someone to a certain area where

639
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:04,330
you know there's filming equipment or

640
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:06,130
you can get some sort of evidence or

641
00:28:12,419 --> 00:28:09,190
documenting evidence a camera something

642
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:12,429
so into a room there's hidden cameras

643
00:28:17,550 --> 00:28:14,470
hidden microphones they don't know that

644
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:17,560
they're being recorded they're doing

645
00:28:20,610 --> 00:28:19,470
some act that they don't want to get out

646
00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:20,620
you

647
00:28:23,730 --> 00:28:21,790
few years ago it used to be

648
00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:23,740
homosexuality now nobody cares about

649
00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:26,140
that or it used to be infidelity

650
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:28,990
yes cares about that so it ups the ante

651
00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:30,370
but people still do care about that

652
00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:33,790
whatever you can get them to do whatever

653
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:35,680
their weaknesses whether it's just doing

654
00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:38,320
cocaine you know or smoking weed or

655
00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:40,390
something like that anything that could

656
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:42,550
compromise them you're gonna record it

657
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:46,140
and then you're gonna start in on this

658
00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:49,110
blackmail thing that's a brownstone

659
00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:52,030
operation right yes yes so even back

660
00:28:55,770 --> 00:28:53,590
then you're taking pictures of you

661
00:28:58,590 --> 00:28:55,780
entering the hostel with a prostitute

662
00:29:00,419 --> 00:28:58,600
for example so yeah I mean any any

663
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:00,429
evidence that they can give where it's

664
00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:03,640
it's to setup to blackmail you that is a

665
00:29:07,650 --> 00:29:06,070
brownstone operation for example there's

666
00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:07,660
been instances of Craig B Spence

667
00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:09,280
throwing parties at his house where his

668
00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:11,320
party was wire his house was wired up

669
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:13,750
with two-way mirrors and recording

670
00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:16,330
devices and famous people would go to

671
00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:18,160
his parties and there would be you know

672
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:20,200
children provided there by Lauren cking

673
00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:23,110
for them to sexual blackmail and even

674
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:25,150
practice ritual satanic abuse at those

675
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:26,950
parties the same could be said about

676
00:29:31,710 --> 00:29:29,050
Jeffrey because that's gonna that's

677
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,720
gonna throw people and and what we

678
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,480
understand now is that kind of what you

679
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,120
eluded to before it kind of becomes

680
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:40,480
somewhat of a slippery evil slope in

681
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:42,600
that you know if you caught me doing

682
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:47,170
cocaine with a prostitute then I'm in

683
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:49,030
your club and you're inviting me to your

684
00:29:56,220 --> 00:29:53,980
party I may not approve of people

685
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:56,230
molesting five-year-old and

686
00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:58,690
four-year-old kids but I'm at the party

687
00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:00,520
with other people you know strange

688
00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:03,340
bedfellows kind of thing who are I may

689
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:06,550
not be into satanic ritual abuse but I

690
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:08,650
am now at a party where there's other

691
00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:11,340
people who are trying to tap into these

692
00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:13,480
malevolent forces and we'll talk about

693
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:15,580
that for a reason and that's their thing

694
00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:20,130
so it's almost like this kind of crazy

695
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:23,620
brownstone blackmail thing creates this

696
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:25,630
kind of cesspool that doesn't

697
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:30,670
necessarily have to have a full on you

698
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:33,670
know purpose for joining all these

699
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:34,330
different

700
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:36,310
together they just kind of congregate by

701
00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:39,340
the force of the brownstone blackmail

702
00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:41,950
operation yes and of course everybody

703
00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:44,020
who's gone to this these parties may

704
00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:46,660
have not participated in you know the

705
00:30:52,530 --> 00:30:49,420
darkest things that occur like ritual

706
00:30:53,850 --> 00:30:52,540
satanic abuse or child abuse at these

707
00:30:55,470 --> 00:30:53,860
parties some of the can be

708
00:30:58,530 --> 00:30:55,480
compartmentalize I agree with you on

709
00:31:00,330 --> 00:30:58,540
that now to separate that separate the

710
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:00,340
wheat from the chaff as they say that

711
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:02,470
could be very difficult you usually have

712
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:04,030
to look at someone's position within the

713
00:31:08,250 --> 00:31:06,250
world order how much power they have you

714
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:08,260
know I seriously doubt you know Bill

715
00:31:12,450 --> 00:31:10,150
Clinton didn't do anything wrong with

716
00:31:13,950 --> 00:31:12,460
the Lolita Express for example and we're

717
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:13,960
you know Donald Trump you know hanging

718
00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:16,210
around Epstein too as well going to his

719
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:17,620
house frequently and everything like

720
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:20,110
that and you know order shoe it's just

721
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:21,970
because he's an attorney and he yeah I

722
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,170
mean I agree and I think this is like

723
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:28,240
another important point and the point I

724
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:32,020
would make is burden of proof at what

725
00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:35,310
point does the burden of proof shift to

726
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:39,540
these people need to prove to us that

727
00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:42,730
they weren't involved if you were in the

728
00:31:50,190 --> 00:31:46,360
Franklin scandal party with King and we

729
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:50,200
know that he was trafficking children

730
00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:53,740
sexually abusing children doing child

731
00:31:59,100 --> 00:31:56,260
pornography and all these other crazy

732
00:32:01,800 --> 00:31:59,110
stuff then the burden of proof I think

733
00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:01,810
just shifts to you you were at the party

734
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:05,680
you should have known or probably knew

735
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:08,260
that these things were going on proof to

736
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:10,330
us that it's not true and in the news

737
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:13,240
recently we have Prince Andrew he cannot

738
00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:16,210
prove that so now he looks he looks

739
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:19,300
really bad because he can't establish we

740
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:22,210
all accept this idea of brooding burden

741
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,770
of proof and the burden of proof has now

742
00:32:28,350 --> 00:32:26,080
shifted so I'm sorry go ahead

743
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:28,360
no I was gonna say I'm here 100% right

744
00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:30,130
of course with Prince Andrew he claims

745
00:32:34,650 --> 00:32:31,900
the picture that he took with Virginia

746
00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:34,660
Roberts go free it was a doctorate

747
00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:37,150
picture would obviously that is her and

748
00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:39,580
him with you know she's a Maxwell

749
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:41,500
standing behind them you know it's

750
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:44,110
obviously not a Photoshop picture but

751
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:46,390
that's what he's claiming you know so he

752
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:48,070
can't just like what

753
00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:50,710
and cking and other people asked well if

754
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:53,080
these if this is true the why aren't

755
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:54,730
these cases prosecuted to the full

756
00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:56,230
extent of the law why are these people

757
00:33:00,960 --> 00:32:58,600
in jail I mean if you believe in a world

758
00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:00,970
order type structure or however you want

759
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:02,260
to put it that you know the government's

760
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:03,700
going to protect its own self-interest

761
00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:04,950
when they're running these operations

762
00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:07,240
that's not gonna happen the only T King

763
00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:09,940
did not go to jail for you know running

764
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:12,430
a massive sexual blackbell ring and

765
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:14,050
molesting children and everything like

766
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:16,270
that he went to jail for embezzlement of

767
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:18,250
the bezel ins from the Franklin

768
00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:21,090
Community Credit Union worse yet his

769
00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:23,830
co-conspirators in Lincoln Nebraska we

770
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:25,900
have to keep backing up and I don't know

771
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:27,610
how this is gonna work or you know again

772
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:29,110
people are just gonna tune out or

773
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:30,730
they've already heard all this stuff and

774
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:31,630
they think we're not going to cover

775
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:32,950
anything new and we are going to cover

776
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:35,560
something new but the Franklin scandal

777
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:38,110
is kind of well-documented but what I

778
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,790
was going to point out the real tragedy

779
00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:41,760
I think that people find in this is that

780
00:33:49,650 --> 00:33:45,640
when it came to prosecutions they

781
00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:49,660
actually prosecuted the victims yes got

782
00:33:55,290 --> 00:33:53,740
him convicted for perjury which when we

783
00:33:57,390 --> 00:33:55,300
look at it through the lens of now

784
00:33:59,970 --> 00:33:57,400
knowing that clearly those people were

785
00:34:03,300 --> 00:33:59,980
guilty clearly I mean when they first

786
00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:03,310
raided King who was set up to run this

787
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:07,270
follow me Boulogne Savings and Loan and

788
00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:10,060
was running it I was running it into the

789
00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:11,830
ground and was embezzling all this money

790
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:13,960
but they go grab his computer and they

791
00:34:18,330 --> 00:34:15,880
find all sorts of child porn on the

792
00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:18,340
computer so again it's physical evidence

793
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:20,620
that this stuff is going on and he's

794
00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:22,270
taking the kids and kids say yeah they

795
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:25,120
took me to Bohemian Grove and I was sold

796
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:27,370
out and all this stuff but then these

797
00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:30,910
kids these kids are actually prosecuted

798
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,460
for because they were there now

799
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:35,440
testifying against some very very

800
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:40,650
powerful people in the Lincoln Nebraska

801
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:43,600
connected elite and they get the whole

802
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:45,250
thing reversed and get these guys

803
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,010
convicted of perjury which is just an

804
00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:51,520
absurd you know injustice another thing

805
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:53,080
I want to mention you keep throwing

806
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:54,790
World Order and you've kind of said that

807
00:34:58,770 --> 00:34:57,010
a couple times I don't want to say that

808
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:58,780
I don't want to go there because that's

809
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:01,260
a whole other discussion I

810
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,480
we can if we ever do get back to the

811
00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:05,280
finders goal which we keep trying to get

812
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:07,800
back to there's there's many different

813
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:11,310
ways to understand it and one clear way

814
00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:14,280
of understanding it is that what we

815
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:16,590
talked about in terms of brown stoning

816
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:19,290
in a brownstone operation and and

817
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:22,500
blackmail and that this would be in just

818
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:26,940
an irresistible tool for intelligence

819
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:29,310
organizations to use they can say well

820
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:31,500
we could send a dozen agents out in the

821
00:35:36,110 --> 00:35:33,810
field and we could try and you know get

822
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:36,120
on the inside and penetrate this group

823
00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:39,900
or we could just film this one guy doing

824
00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:42,870
these horrible deeds to an 8 year old

825
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:45,150
girl and then he'll give us the whole

826
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:48,150
thing so which should we do a three year

827
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:50,010
undercover operation that's going to

828
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,650
cost all this money it may expose us to

829
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:54,720
all this blowback

830
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,700
or do we just do this one little trick

831
00:36:03,140 --> 00:35:59,760
over here but in in in doing that trick

832
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:03,150
we have to partner with the most evil

833
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:07,560
people in the world who you know groom

834
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:12,260
and traffic little kids for sex and some

835
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:14,850
intelligence guy says yeah but you know

836
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,200
really when you look at it from a

837
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:18,420
cost-benefit analysis maybe we should do

838
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,430
that I mean that's what the finders cult

839
00:36:25,610 --> 00:36:23,280
is about or or maybe we should run guns

840
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,620
or run drugs with the rank on rank

841
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:27,480
rancher involves all three of them gun

842
00:36:32,570 --> 00:36:30,090
running child pornography and running

843
00:36:35,090 --> 00:36:32,580
through the franklin scandal and and day

844
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:35,100
in drug running gun running so balls all

845
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:37,530
of that so all the I guess I could say

846
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:39,240
is yeah we're taking a long time to get

847
00:36:42,110 --> 00:36:40,710
to the finders but however it's

848
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:42,120
important because we have to lay the

849
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:44,550
groundwork and this isn't just one

850
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:46,770
specific instance that this occurred

851
00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:49,290
it's occurred and multiple multiple

852
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:51,390
instances I know Epstein is you know on

853
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,340
everybody's minds now because that's the

854
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:54,720
most recent one but they're I mean

855
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,740
they're the pull the plural affair and

856
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:01,260
in the 1960s and and then you know

857
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:04,530
Franklin and McMartin and and in I mean

858
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:07,890
it it's not just one isolated event and

859
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:10,710
they're using all of this and in my

860
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:12,780
guess as prosecutions never happened or

861
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:14,220
at least a degree that they should have

862
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:14,560
you

863
00:37:19,350 --> 00:37:17,290
the daycare scandal is to limit it all

864
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:19,360
say I mean there's still they're

865
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:20,500
limiting witch-hunt

866
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:22,060
they're saying witch hunts today when it

867
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,120
comes to trump and him being innocent

868
00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:27,280
and have it not to do anything you'll

869
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:29,590
see the vernacular have people like

870
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:31,810
Michael Savage who compared the the

871
00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:34,570
Russian Russian witch hunter trunk to

872
00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:36,940
McMartin and say well McMartins a witch

873
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:40,420
hunt and so you know the very you know

874
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:42,190
this is you know the Russian scandals

875
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:44,110
witch hunt so you'll see that a lot of

876
00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:45,610
it's still being used in vernacular

877
00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:48,190
today and still being pushed by people

878
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:49,720
that if they should be intelligence I

879
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:50,890
mean Michael Savage wrote a book on

880
00:37:56,370 --> 00:37:53,710
famous witch hunts and in his book for

881
00:37:58,620 --> 00:37:56,380
McMartin he does not you know read this

882
00:38:01,410 --> 00:37:58,630
take the time or do anything he lists as

883
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:01,420
his source a list verse article on

884
00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:06,070
McMartin I mean it's it's they does they

885
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:09,460
made this by design in my opinion so

886
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:10,990
that they could continue to get on with

887
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:12,520
their brownstone operations because no

888
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:14,110
one thinks twice about sending their

889
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,760
children to daycares

890
00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:17,680
anymore no one thinks twice because if

891
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:19,750
you think about it I it's just it's just

892
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:22,210
satanic panic what are you doing why are

893
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:23,890
you concerned about sending your kid off

894
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,010
and I'm pretty sure abuses are still

895
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:28,720
occurring we just don't hear about them

896
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:30,310
anymore because reporters aren't going

897
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:31,990
to report it because of what happened

898
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:33,850
with all the day's day care scandals in

899
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:38,560
the 1980s and 1990s so so let's take one

900
00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:42,690
more stab at going back to fires because

901
00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:45,700
we've kind of talked around about it and

902
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:48,040
I kind of sent us maybe in a different

903
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:54,130
direction so the finders cult what what

904
00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:57,370
is it why is it a cult per se and then

905
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:00,700
what is the connection to what we're

906
00:39:05,370 --> 00:39:01,570
talking about these brownstones

907
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:05,380
operations it's a cult because Mary Ann

908
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,440
petty was the leader of a group of

909
00:39:13,530 --> 00:39:10,480
people that would enter an exit out of

910
00:39:14,910 --> 00:39:13,540
the finders and when they enter to the

911
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:14,920
finders they would give up their

912
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:17,050
monetary possessions they would give up

913
00:39:22,350 --> 00:39:19,420
their real estate which you would snore

914
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:22,360
mele see with cults of how the leader

915
00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:24,310
would get everything and they put

916
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,480
everything into what was called an

917
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:27,280
invisible bank

918
00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:29,950
where they you know petit would say well

919
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:31,660
if you left you'd get your stuff back

920
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:33,730
well fighters members would later sue

921
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:35,890
that would leave the cult that would not

922
00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:37,990
get you know what they put back into the

923
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:41,380
visible bank back now I'd actually argue

924
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:43,210
a cult and I've kind of changed it in

925
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,610
the book I'm writing I have references

926
00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:47,440
as a cult to make it more palatable to

927
00:39:51,630 --> 00:39:49,420
people but I do actually think it's more

928
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:51,640
should be more classified as the finders

929
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,730
operation because that seems like what

930
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:56,520
it is with you know Marion Petty's ties

931
00:40:01,650 --> 00:39:58,510
initially to the Office of Strategic

932
00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:01,660
Services him being part of the Air Force

933
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:04,420
and later with the information that we

934
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:06,310
have from the investigative leaves memo

935
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:10,150
being trained in espionage the Jesuit

936
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:12,910
college Georgetown University take us

937
00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:16,330
through a timeline with petit petit join

938
00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:20,350
the Air Force and he was so for too many

939
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:23,320
famous people at the time he chauffeured

940
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,370
harry s truman Dwight D Eisenhower HAP

941
00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:29,920
HAP Arnold who was a head of the Air

942
00:40:36,540 --> 00:40:32,320
Force was one heads an Air Force at the

943
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,550
time so he chauffeured many many high up

944
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:39,280
elite people around the time of World

945
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:40,990
War two and afterwards and he was also

946
00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:44,530
owning these apartment buildings in

947
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:46,660
Washington DC that he was renting to

948
00:40:51,870 --> 00:40:50,020
officer services members so he's had

949
00:40:53,790 --> 00:40:51,880
connections to the government the

950
00:40:56,010 --> 00:40:53,800
highest levels of government even back

951
00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:56,020
then now he claims that he got the money

952
00:41:03,210 --> 00:40:58,900
to start the finders and to buy property

953
00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:03,220
in Virginia by winning poker games over

954
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:04,660
time and just saved up his money to buy

955
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:07,000
land where the investigative leads memo

956
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:08,530
that was later we still do the author of

957
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:11,770
that is has made references to that it

958
00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:13,980
was him knowing people within

959
00:41:19,590 --> 00:41:17,350
intelligence was how he got that money

960
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:19,600
because he had high level connections it

961
00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:21,070
wasn't that he was to buy all these

962
00:41:26,010 --> 00:41:23,320
hundreds of acres of land it wasn't from

963
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,020
him winning poker games while he was in

964
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:28,720
the military right and and that would be

965
00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:30,910
consistent with kind of what we're

966
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,030
seeing with the latest breaking kind of

967
00:41:40,109 --> 00:41:37,119
inside story of the Epstein thing it may

968
00:41:42,989 --> 00:41:40,119
you want to talk about that is for most

969
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:42,999
people that even begin to understand

970
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:45,460
Epstein they weren't even awake to any

971
00:41:50,999 --> 00:41:47,950
of it until the phony hanging and then

972
00:41:54,269 --> 00:41:51,009
even just the average system goes come

973
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:54,279
on that's just ridiculous the suicide

974
00:41:59,609 --> 00:41:56,890
thing it doesn't fit well the kind of

975
00:42:02,960 --> 00:41:59,619
next-level research that people are

976
00:42:06,299 --> 00:42:02,970
doing says really if you look at it

977
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:06,309
Epstein looks a lot more like a frontman

978
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:09,160
fall guy thing yes yes one of the

979
00:42:15,989 --> 00:42:12,249
tell-tale signs of that is the stuff is

980
00:42:18,749 --> 00:42:15,999
in his name no one puts their name on

981
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:18,759
stuff when they're doing those kind of

982
00:42:24,089 --> 00:42:22,210
deeds and I think the same is true in

983
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,099
what you're talking about

984
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:26,319
whenever we see somebody I own the

985
00:42:31,499 --> 00:42:29,890
Lannon I own the apartments and I'm

986
00:42:33,329 --> 00:42:31,509
doing I'm part of this brownstone

987
00:42:36,539 --> 00:42:33,339
operation then it's like well you're

988
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,549
probably just a frontman because no one

989
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:38,579
who's really doing that stuff would be

990
00:42:43,019 --> 00:42:41,049
having their name on the line what do

991
00:42:44,819 --> 00:42:43,029
you think about that and and maybe fill

992
00:42:47,549 --> 00:42:44,829
people in on the Epstein thing that I

993
00:42:48,839 --> 00:42:47,559
might be leaving out no I mean I hundred

994
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:48,849
percent agree with you if accorded

995
00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:51,670
obscene I think he was lower on the rung

996
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:54,190
when it comes to is it like Lauren cking

997
00:42:57,329 --> 00:42:55,569
I think you know that they were people

998
00:43:00,180 --> 00:42:57,339
Craig B Spence was higher than Lauren

999
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:00,190
cking there were people higher up within

1000
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,529
these organizations and Lauren C King

1001
00:43:06,809 --> 00:43:04,480
was the fall man Jeffrey Epstein was the

1002
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,819
fall man so at Jeffrey I do feel guilty

1003
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,319
for me on the law of course of course

1004
00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:10,720
I'm not I'm just I'm not no I'm not

1005
00:43:14,609 --> 00:43:12,430
saying at all I'm just saying those

1006
00:43:18,809 --> 00:43:14,619
people go down the higher up people keep

1007
00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:18,819
their hands clean and and so because of

1008
00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:20,680
that you know I would say people that

1009
00:43:27,299 --> 00:43:22,420
are higher up than Jeffrey Epstein would

1010
00:43:30,299 --> 00:43:27,309
be Ghislaine Maxwell last Lex Wexner for

1011
00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:30,309
billionaire who gave Jeffrey Epstein his

1012
00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:32,380
New York City mansion for $1 and

1013
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,180
supposedly that mansion was wired up for

1014
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:36,160
the brownstone operation that was three

1015
00:43:42,299 --> 00:43:38,730
or four million dollars worth of audio

1016
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,309
property record and just no but I heard

1017
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:43,599
is three or four million dollars yeah

1018
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:46,420
audio video recording equipment and a

1019
00:43:52,589 --> 00:43:49,390
secret room underneath a stairway to

1020
00:43:54,750 --> 00:43:52,599
kind of manage and control it and upload

1021
00:43:57,780 --> 00:43:54,760
it and all the rest that so again

1022
00:43:59,940 --> 00:43:57,790
finders finders called the same

1023
00:44:02,760 --> 00:43:59,950
parallels right this guy is setting up

1024
00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:02,770
these apartments if you will and we

1025
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:04,780
don't have the full story like we do on

1026
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,150
Epstein yet now but probably the same

1027
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,760
probably the same operation I think

1028
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,440
you're right is instead calling it a

1029
00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:14,079
cult it's an operation from the very

1030
00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:17,020
beginning because it's good business to

1031
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:21,400
run these these rings of blackmail yeah

1032
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,970
so I mean Mary and petty buys all that

1033
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:27,040
land from Charles Marsh I believe that

1034
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,630
he wasn't just from from getting playing

1035
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,359
poker it was because his connections

1036
00:44:36,059 --> 00:44:33,760
gave him the money to be able to set up

1037
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:36,069
this free state because that was Mary a

1038
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,359
petty he's made one of his main

1039
00:44:42,059 --> 00:44:40,480
operations separate from you know the

1040
00:44:45,630 --> 00:44:42,069
filming of child pornography are

1041
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:45,640
separate from the darkness was that he

1042
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:47,650
co-opted a lot of the human potential

1043
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:50,230
movement and it seemed like that he was

1044
00:44:55,770 --> 00:44:53,410
the CIA's man to do so and to kind of

1045
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:55,780
control it to steer it from what I've

1046
00:44:59,819 --> 00:44:57,910
seen I mean he also had connection to

1047
00:45:03,270 --> 00:44:59,829
connections that we know of to Timothy

1048
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,280
Leary and that he was dealing with Walsh

1049
00:45:06,839 --> 00:45:06,160
I Decker who was Timothy Leary and Billy

1050
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:06,849
Hitchcock

1051
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:09,640
so time and time again you see that

1052
00:45:14,819 --> 00:45:12,010
petty can't just be lucky to have all

1053
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:14,829
these connections to all of these famous

1054
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,530
people and for him to be no one he

1055
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,079
kitten chauffeured around Dwight the

1056
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:23,520
Eisenhower Patton Lyndon Baines Johnson

1057
00:45:29,490 --> 00:45:26,530
Charles Edward Marsh and he couldn't

1058
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:29,500
know all these people throughout his

1059
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:32,710
whole life and just be like you and I

1060
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:35,109
it's just the odds of that are just very

1061
00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:39,790
small okay so yeah I'm there's a lot of

1062
00:45:46,109 --> 00:45:42,670
kind of cult elements there that ring

1063
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:46,119
bells with other cults we've seen again

1064
00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:48,910
I'm worried that we're not stitching

1065
00:45:52,289 --> 00:45:50,740
together the story in a way that people

1066
00:45:56,010 --> 00:45:52,299
are going to be able to follow it

1067
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,020
okay so we have petty he's chauffeuring

1068
00:46:00,549 --> 00:45:58,400
around all these soup

1069
00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:00,559
high-level presidents and the highest

1070
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:02,990
level in the military and as we know

1071
00:46:08,349 --> 00:46:05,750
chauffeur doesn't just mean you're a

1072
00:46:11,170 --> 00:46:08,359
good driver it also means you're a

1073
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:11,180
confident because you see things yes it

1074
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:13,730
other people aren't supposed to see and

1075
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:16,960
you're trusted to keep secrets that

1076
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:19,250
others might not and these people are

1077
00:46:23,380 --> 00:46:21,500
talking to him too right you know that's

1078
00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:23,390
mentioned to you know in interviews that

1079
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:24,950
they are they're having discussions with

1080
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:26,900
them telling him private information do

1081
00:46:30,819 --> 00:46:28,490
as well heads of state selling the

1082
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:30,829
private information so let's skip ahead

1083
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:34,130
in the story to where this find is group

1084
00:46:42,819 --> 00:46:38,240
and petty first encounter law

1085
00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:42,829
enforcement and I like the Tallahassee

1086
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:45,980
police encounter because it seems like a

1087
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:50,930
pretty clean clean slate investigation

1088
00:46:55,870 --> 00:46:54,200
of when these people are run into law

1089
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,880
enforcement or maybe there's something

1090
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,920
before that yes the only thing that we

1091
00:47:00,970 --> 00:46:59,839
have about the previous raids is a

1092
00:47:03,010 --> 00:47:00,980
little bit of the documents that were

1093
00:47:04,539 --> 00:47:03,020
release in the FBI fall from the

1094
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:04,549
Metropolitan Police Department

1095
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:05,750
investigation that was once labeled

1096
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:08,150
secret but is not anymore because time

1097
00:47:13,059 --> 00:47:11,270
has passed picture there's a raid

1098
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:13,069
what are they find in this warehouse

1099
00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:15,170
okay let me go to the Metropolitan

1100
00:47:18,670 --> 00:47:16,460
Police Department 7:00 to set everything

1101
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:18,680
up for that raid okay so in there in

1102
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,000
that raid they were they were you know

1103
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:25,359
telling it starts the whole choreography

1104
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:28,250
investigation and that they were raiding

1105
00:47:32,859 --> 00:47:30,470
the finders warehouse and interviewing

1106
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:32,869
members of the finders that they were

1107
00:47:36,910 --> 00:47:34,760
shooting pornography at the warehouse

1108
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:36,920
why did they suspect that why would the

1109
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:39,950
police go and just randomly raid

1110
00:47:44,049 --> 00:47:42,410
somewhere else because we were because

1111
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:44,059
according to all we have is Toby

1112
00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:45,650
Tourelles instance and in his book the

1113
00:47:48,819 --> 00:47:47,420
game caller the only thing I could piece

1114
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,829
together from that was was they were

1115
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:51,200
having women that were entering the

1116
00:47:57,099 --> 00:47:55,369
warehouse that were I mean it's like a

1117
00:47:59,559 --> 00:47:57,109
warehouse like you know surrounded by

1118
00:48:02,500 --> 00:47:59,569
other warehouses they were having

1119
00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:02,510
beautiful women entering the warehouse

1120
00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:04,520
so they thought pornography was being

1121
00:48:08,829 --> 00:48:06,740
shot there and when they went there and

1122
00:48:11,319 --> 00:48:08,839
raided the place they found the camera

1123
00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:11,329
in the staging area that would later be

1124
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:12,360
implicated by

1125
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:14,430
J Martinez that they were shooting

1126
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,770
pornography there as well to child

1127
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:18,900
pornography right so that makes sense

1128
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:22,500
they're just some local Washington DC

1129
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:24,170
cop they're doing their investigation

1130
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:27,330
either in prostitution or whatever and

1131
00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:29,250
they go hey this looks strange and they

1132
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:31,470
follow their suspicion and they raid the

1133
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:34,350
place now take us to the Martinez thing

1134
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:38,190
because who is he and what is he tasked

1135
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,440
to do and how does he tie into this well

1136
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:41,520
I guess maybe I should start with

1137
00:48:46,940 --> 00:48:43,290
Tallahassee's as far as doing the

1138
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:46,950
timeline so later in 1987 which first

1139
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:49,020
started this whole modern idea of what

1140
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:50,910
we know about the finders case alex is

1141
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:54,390
that two men were arrested Douglas

1142
00:48:58,700 --> 00:48:56,430
Edward a merman in James Michael

1143
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,710
Halliwell were arrested on February 4th

1144
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:01,200
1987 when a concerned citizen called in

1145
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:04,650
and said they noticed many disheveled

1146
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:06,930
dirty children that were behaving like

1147
00:49:12,620 --> 00:49:09,960
wild animals in Myers Park in

1148
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:12,630
Tallahassee Florida and so the cops get

1149
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:13,440
there two cops

1150
00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:17,280
Tony Mashburn and Judy shogi they both

1151
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:19,350
you know arrived at the scene they

1152
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:20,970
witnessed the children they witnessed

1153
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:23,370
you know the two adults this witness the

1154
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:25,230
van that was there the the blue

1155
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,090
sportsman band that the children and the

1156
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:29,880
adults were living out of and what are

1157
00:49:35,090 --> 00:49:32,130
the adults look like but they're wearing

1158
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:35,100
suits so the kids are disheveled and

1159
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:38,490
dirty and the adults are wearing suits

1160
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:40,980
in Tallahassee Florida so they start

1161
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:42,780
noticing something's off so they start

1162
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:45,150
interviewing Hallowell and a merman so

1163
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,920
you know the men mentioned that they

1164
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:48,960
were taking the kids to a special school

1165
00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:52,770
in Mexico did not identify that they had

1166
00:49:57,020 --> 00:49:54,870
any relation to the kids whatsoever

1167
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:57,030
police officers are automatically

1168
00:50:03,230 --> 00:49:59,130
suspicious but what is this I mean

1169
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,240
anybody would you know so they moved to

1170
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:05,700
arrest a Merman and a Halliwell and take

1171
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:07,770
the children into custody and when they

1172
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:10,530
do Halliwell refuses the talk and he

1173
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:13,380
faints and planks on the ground and

1174
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:15,330
there's actually video and Derrick Rose

1175
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:16,140
is trying that he's another

1176
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:17,640
investigators trying to hunt down this

1177
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:20,880
video of them you know lifting hollawell

1178
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:22,980
as he's planked on the ground and

1179
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,710
putting him into the cop car

1180
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:27,599
and that was filling it used to be you

1181
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:29,460
know broadcast everywhere during the

1182
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:31,770
fighters case the hall also had two

1183
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:33,510
forms of Miranda rights with him when he

1184
00:50:38,839 --> 00:50:36,599
was arrested one state seeing that he

1185
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:38,849
had something to hide in another stating

1186
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:42,540
that he had nothing to hide so why all

1187
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:46,380
of this you know because these guys are

1188
00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:49,260
arrested tell has he police they're our

1189
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,470
mess they're like this is bizarre so

1190
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,900
what happens next there are both a

1191
00:50:58,700 --> 00:50:56,400
childhood they were both charged with

1192
00:51:03,079 --> 00:50:58,710
child abuse and they were given $100,000

1193
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:03,089
bonds each and so from there the the

1194
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:04,380
Tassie Police Department starts their

1195
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:05,970
investigation they start looking at the

1196
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:08,130
contents and the van in the contents of

1197
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,440
the van you get a trs-80 computer which

1198
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:12,660
was very sophisticated at the time that

1199
00:51:16,579 --> 00:51:14,490
the finders were using to connect to

1200
00:51:17,059 --> 00:51:16,589
telephone lines to communicate back to

1201
00:51:19,460 --> 00:51:17,069
DC

1202
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:19,470
they're like BBS message boards and

1203
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:22,020
messages that they privately had at that

1204
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:23,339
time that they were using in

1205
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:24,270
communication

1206
00:51:27,859 --> 00:51:25,950
they also found a Chinese English

1207
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:27,869
dictionary which will get tino the

1208
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:30,569
finders had many connections supposedly

1209
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:32,940
to China and possibly through telexes

1210
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:35,460
that there were selling of children to

1211
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:38,220
China that the finders were facilitating

1212
00:51:43,339 --> 00:51:40,500
supposedly that Ramon J Martinez had

1213
00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:43,349
found during his investigation of both

1214
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,670
the apartment building in the warehouse

1215
00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:47,760
later in Washington and they also found

1216
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:51,540
pictures within the van and some of

1217
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:52,980
those pictures were of naked children

1218
00:51:56,359 --> 00:51:54,750
now the finders would argue that those

1219
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:56,369
pictures were just adults taking

1220
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:59,940
pictures of their kids let's not let's

1221
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:02,480
not muddy the water with [\h__\h]

1222
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:06,170
completely flat earth [\h__\h] kind of

1223
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,250
explanations they found child

1224
00:52:12,740 --> 00:52:10,319
pornography they're cops they see it

1225
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,750
they're on this case now right I mean

1226
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:14,880
they are on this thing right so they're

1227
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:16,710
trying they're trying to track down the

1228
00:52:20,299 --> 00:52:18,839
parents of the kids is what the

1229
00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:20,309
Tallahassee Police Department is trying

1230
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:22,940
to do so when they take the kids into

1231
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:26,010
the police station they start noticing

1232
00:52:32,299 --> 00:52:28,440
that the children don't understand like

1233
00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:32,309
modern objects like clocks typewriters

1234
00:52:37,789 --> 00:52:35,099
they start you know few of them start

1235
00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:37,799
urinating on the floor and so there have

1236
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,300
very off behavior

1237
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:41,280
and they talk about giving getting food

1238
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:44,010
as a reward and that they follow a very

1239
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:47,220
very strictly vegan diet and and so they

1240
00:52:52,070 --> 00:52:49,050
start you know interviewing the children

1241
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:52,080
jordan Errico who was labeled as mary at

1242
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:54,570
the time she every time they ask her

1243
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:57,330
about sexual abuse she becomes very

1244
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:58,770
fidgety and doesn't really want to

1245
00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:00,900
answer those questions how old are the

1246
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:02,820
children they range anywhere between six

1247
00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:06,650
to three and how many of them are there

1248
00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:12,270
six okay so they're the very interesting

1249
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:14,430
thing about this is when I want to

1250
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:16,650
interviewed former Tallahassee Police

1251
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:19,830
Department officer Ric Huffman so I had

1252
00:53:23,090 --> 00:53:21,810
always thought that through the FBI that

1253
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,100
they would you know the mothers would

1254
00:53:26,810 --> 00:53:24,960
have came down they would have checked

1255
00:53:29,330 --> 00:53:26,820
the birth certificates or shown some

1256
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:29,340
proof other than the children actually

1257
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:31,740
you know responding to the parents like

1258
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,260
this is my mother this is my father or

1259
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:35,760
you know but there's the mothers that

1260
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,020
went down but you know what I'm saying

1261
00:53:40,610 --> 00:53:38,640
so I thought there would have been more

1262
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:40,620
proof of trying to back that up from

1263
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:42,180
what I'm ascertaining what I'm finding

1264
00:53:48,050 --> 00:53:45,420
out that was not III need to find out

1265
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:48,060
okay we jump back up for a minute here

1266
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:50,220
because okay so these are cops they're

1267
00:53:53,810 --> 00:53:52,440
just doing what at this point they're

1268
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:53,820
they know there's something odd they

1269
00:53:58,940 --> 00:53:56,280
just want to find the case so what do

1270
00:54:05,060 --> 00:53:58,950
they do next how do they contact these

1271
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:05,070
kids who are like just feral animals how

1272
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:07,500
do they contact their parents what do

1273
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:10,290
they do who are their parents they're

1274
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:12,090
trying to track down leads or getting

1275
00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:14,670
many calls from family members of the

1276
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:18,030
finders like they got a call from yeah

1277
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,830
but I mean do they did they call in the

1278
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:21,660
media and say hey here are these kids

1279
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:23,700
yes they call they call in the media

1280
00:54:27,380 --> 00:54:25,140
they're saying you know here are these

1281
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:27,390
kids it's very well reported even

1282
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:28,890
throughout the Associated Press it's

1283
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:30,450
reported throughout the United States

1284
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:32,550
they're trying to find the identities of

1285
00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:34,740
these children of who their parents are

1286
00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:36,660
if they were parents of members within

1287
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,000
the cult they don't know there's a cult

1288
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:41,280
at this point right I mean they have

1289
00:54:45,830 --> 00:54:43,650
some idea around that time yes right but

1290
00:54:47,570 --> 00:54:45,840
I mean they're just before we can say

1291
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:47,580
cult I mean they just say who are the

1292
00:54:51,020 --> 00:54:49,800
parents of these kids because yes son we

1293
00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:51,030
want to reunite the kids with their

1294
00:54:55,170 --> 00:54:52,390
parents but number two

1295
00:54:58,259 --> 00:54:55,180
want to investigate what's going on so

1296
00:55:00,959 --> 00:54:58,269
how did they then connect these kids

1297
00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:00,969
with quote-unquote their parents

1298
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,160
well eventually the parents after we

1299
00:55:07,319 --> 00:55:05,680
step up in contact detail has the police

1300
00:55:09,029 --> 00:55:07,329
department that they want to come from

1301
00:55:10,499 --> 00:55:09,039
Tallahassee that they were in California

1302
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:10,509
and they waited because everybody was

1303
00:55:14,729 --> 00:55:12,910
blowing it out of proportion that you

1304
00:55:15,989 --> 00:55:14,739
know this was satanic ritual abuse and

1305
00:55:18,269 --> 00:55:15,999
they were satanic elements and they were

1306
00:55:21,029 --> 00:55:18,279
a fear for their life so they waited a

1307
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:21,039
week to go down to Tallahassee to meet

1308
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:23,140
with the taxi Police Department for them

1309
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:26,049
to you know try to get custody of their

1310
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:29,529
children how many parents are there 12

1311
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:32,170
they're all within the finders okay so

1312
00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:34,689
there's 12 parents when you say they're

1313
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:37,150
all in the finders will later find out

1314
00:55:40,949 --> 00:55:38,890
that they're associated with the finders

1315
00:55:43,319 --> 00:55:40,959
operation or finders cult but at this

1316
00:55:46,109 --> 00:55:43,329
point they're just adults who are living

1317
00:55:47,609 --> 00:55:46,119
in California what else do we know well

1318
00:55:49,019 --> 00:55:47,619
the girl they weren't living in

1319
00:55:51,809 --> 00:55:49,029
California the women were therefore

1320
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,819
working they called it weaning the

1321
00:55:55,890 --> 00:55:53,680
children away from their mothers so they

1322
00:55:58,199 --> 00:55:55,900
were there at working in California but

1323
00:56:01,259 --> 00:55:58,209
their bases were still in the apartments

1324
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:01,269
and in Washington DC area and we're

1325
00:56:06,089 --> 00:56:04,150
still in the warehouse but yes during

1326
00:56:08,429 --> 00:56:06,099
the investigation the ties the police

1327
00:56:10,259 --> 00:56:08,439
firing figures out that these were their

1328
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:10,269
parents these were members of the

1329
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:12,910
finders that they were a cult that's

1330
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:14,920
what they were labeled as such now some

1331
00:56:17,939 --> 00:56:16,089
people have disagreements in there when

1332
00:56:19,799 --> 00:56:17,949
I talked to Rick Huffman and just like

1333
00:56:20,609 --> 00:56:19,809
you know he mentioned in the the paper

1334
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:20,619
and everything like that

1335
00:56:24,959 --> 00:56:23,410
there's two ways of framing the finders

1336
00:56:26,939 --> 00:56:24,969
that happen like it happens with all

1337
00:56:28,739 --> 00:56:26,949
this oh they're just progressive the

1338
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:28,749
progressive with how they raised the

1339
00:56:32,999 --> 00:56:30,130
children how the children were pretty

1340
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:33,009
much wild and and previously beforehand

1341
00:56:36,059 --> 00:56:34,089
that we learned that they're you know

1342
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:36,069
two children had left the warehouse area

1343
00:56:41,309 --> 00:56:38,579
and had been picked up by the police and

1344
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:41,319
and had stayed certain amount of time in

1345
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:43,569
foster care before this event even

1346
00:56:46,739 --> 00:56:45,670
happened so they kind of look at him and

1347
00:56:47,849 --> 00:56:46,749
well they're just progressives and

1348
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:47,859
that's how they raised their kids and

1349
00:56:52,739 --> 00:56:50,529
there's that's okay anybody who tried to

1350
00:56:54,779 --> 00:56:52,749
fight for the kids like prosecuting

1351
00:56:57,329 --> 00:56:54,789
attorney Willie Meg's they just labeled

1352
00:56:59,669 --> 00:56:57,339
him as a Christian as a nut he's just a

1353
00:57:02,669 --> 00:56:59,679
nut he's just a seal it with a with a

1354
00:57:04,890 --> 00:57:02,679
with a chip on his shoulders you know

1355
00:57:05,970 --> 00:57:04,900
trying to keep the children away from

1356
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,980
their parents

1357
00:57:09,630 --> 00:57:07,359
the finders and everything like that

1358
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:09,640
they label him as such again it's the

1359
00:57:13,290 --> 00:57:11,650
whole witch hunt narrative they label

1360
00:57:14,609 --> 00:57:13,300
you know the people who are trying to

1361
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:14,619
get down to the bottom of things and

1362
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:15,970
trying to protect the children as

1363
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,410
Christians and having Christian

1364
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,359
proclivities and the people that say the

1365
00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:21,040
finders didn't do anything they were

1366
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:24,550
more progressive well there's you know

1367
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:27,480
we'll get into that there's a lot of

1368
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:30,430
deep waters there that we have to kind

1369
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,550
of tread as well I'm trying to put it

1370
00:57:37,530 --> 00:57:35,440
together and maybe a different way which

1371
00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:37,540
is you know you got to tell the stories

1372
00:57:41,010 --> 00:57:38,619
we're just two guys having a

1373
00:57:41,609 --> 00:57:41,020
conversation your change in the world or

1374
00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:41,619
anything like that

1375
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,140
I'm trying to understand this I do think

1376
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:46,720
the false narratives and repeating the

1377
00:57:53,340 --> 00:57:50,530
false narratives and the obviously false

1378
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:53,350
narratives I don't think that helps the

1379
00:57:59,490 --> 00:57:56,770
story I don't think any reasonable

1380
00:58:02,090 --> 00:57:59,500
person would see this as fitting into

1381
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:02,100
anything close to a progressive

1382
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:03,510
child-rearing

1383
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:06,310
especially when now our eyes have gone

1384
00:58:12,450 --> 00:58:09,970
more open to the grooming of children

1385
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:12,460
and the involvement of children and sex

1386
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:16,240
crimes and it fits so exactly into that

1387
00:58:20,490 --> 00:58:18,730
model that I just don't think we need to

1388
00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:20,500
spend a lot of time with those

1389
00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:23,380
alternative narratives even if they did

1390
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:26,830
entertain people back in 1987 who cares

1391
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:29,890
as we look back on it it's clearly these

1392
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:31,690
kids were being but not everybody's

1393
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:33,070
looking at it that way though they're

1394
00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:34,900
labeling as such that's why I'm bringing

1395
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:38,590
that to the table that you know it's

1396
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:40,390
it's third stuff it's it's fluttered

1397
00:58:45,330 --> 00:58:42,250
stuff you know and when I say flutter

1398
00:58:46,830 --> 00:58:45,340
stuff it's like it just we've seen this

1399
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,840
over and over again in all these

1400
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,880
different fields you know is even in the

1401
00:58:52,590 --> 00:58:51,040
more mundane stuff that I've done and

1402
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:52,600
you know my show you know a near-death

1403
00:58:58,620 --> 00:58:56,170
experience you can sit in argue and

1404
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,630
debate with people and I still sometimes

1405
00:59:03,570 --> 00:59:01,119
engage in it I'm these crazy you know

1406
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:03,580
last gasp of a dying brain you know some

1407
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:06,310
stuff that just doesn't add up and you

1408
00:59:11,099 --> 00:59:08,890
know yep mountains and mountains of

1409
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:11,109
scientific papers that refute that over

1410
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:14,170
and over again and this is a tactic you

1411
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:15,670
know we have to but the thing is is with

1412
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:17,290
this we don't have I mean we don't

1413
00:59:22,269 --> 00:59:19,849
there's so much pushback on

1414
00:59:23,890 --> 00:59:22,279
that you have to show why the other side

1415
00:59:26,289 --> 00:59:23,900
is wrong just like we talked about the

1416
00:59:28,329 --> 00:59:26,299
execution of Henriette and Igor the

1417
00:59:31,380 --> 00:59:28,339
children have participated in and how I

1418
00:59:33,579 --> 00:59:31,390
believe that to be a satanic ritual the

1419
00:59:36,099 --> 00:59:33,589
finders and everything that was reported

1420
00:59:38,979 --> 00:59:36,109
about it at the time you know I mean

1421
00:59:40,690 --> 00:59:38,989
later on at first they they presented it

1422
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,700
as such as being a satanic ritual to

1423
00:59:43,180 --> 00:59:42,319
these children participated in but later

1424
00:59:45,999 --> 00:59:43,190
was changed

1425
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:46,009
it was now looked upon in because you

1426
00:59:48,339 --> 00:59:47,690
got remember you the way you and I look

1427
00:59:51,009 --> 00:59:48,349
at things

1428
00:59:53,950 --> 00:59:51,019
our war with our eyes open is different

1429
00:59:55,539 --> 00:59:53,960
than the general public so when you know

1430
00:59:56,859 --> 00:59:55,549
when most of the general public look at

1431
00:59:58,749 --> 00:59:56,869
it they're going to go with the idea

1432
01:00:01,059 --> 00:59:58,759
that's being pushed to them that it was

1433
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:01,069
just animal husbandry because that's

1434
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:02,930
what the finders are trying us in the

1435
01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:04,609
media later on try to say it was that

1436
01:00:09,130 --> 01:00:07,430
the experience was just them teaching

1437
01:00:10,479 --> 01:00:09,140
you know if you were a butcher and

1438
01:00:12,099 --> 01:00:10,489
you're raising your kids in the art of

1439
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:12,109
butchery then you would show them how to

1440
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,729
butcher a goat and you would give a

1441
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:15,440
three-year-old child the goat's head to

1442
01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:17,210
hold on a civil platter and a picture

1443
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:19,880
and you know rip out the womb and and

1444
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:22,400
you know you know pull the fetuses out

1445
01:00:28,359 --> 01:00:25,910
and you know that they've labeled that

1446
01:00:31,390 --> 01:00:28,369
as such so you have to show why that is

1447
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:31,400
ludicrous and then a fact that it that's

1448
01:00:36,219 --> 01:00:33,890
what I'm trying to do see this is a this

1449
01:00:37,690 --> 01:00:36,229
is an interesting discussion and it's

1450
01:00:40,089 --> 01:00:37,700
one that we should have because only

1451
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,099
people like you and I can have this kind

1452
01:00:45,579 --> 01:00:42,319
of discussion this level-3 discussion

1453
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:45,589
see I don't think you do I don't think

1454
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:48,710
you can get there from here so what

1455
01:00:55,209 --> 01:00:53,210
you're describing is again this and you

1456
01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:55,219
kind of hinted at out maybe people can

1457
01:01:01,420 --> 01:00:57,049
pick up the thread of that story is

1458
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:01,430
there is this ritualistic slaughter of

1459
01:01:08,499 --> 01:01:04,400
this goat that clearly for anyone who's

1460
01:01:10,359 --> 01:01:08,509
looked into it is occulted satanic you

1461
01:01:13,059 --> 01:01:10,369
know with all the symbolism and stuff

1462
01:01:16,359 --> 01:01:13,069
like that and their explanation of it

1463
01:01:18,579 --> 01:01:16,369
was as you said just this absurd idea of

1464
01:01:20,739 --> 01:01:18,589
animal husbandry and why you would show

1465
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:20,749
a three-year-old and have them have a

1466
01:01:26,229 --> 01:01:22,729
photo with the goat's head on the thing

1467
01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:26,239
yeah but my point is can't get there

1468
01:01:31,450 --> 01:01:28,940
from here but some people do but some

1469
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,460
people do wake up though I woke up they

1470
01:01:36,220 --> 01:01:33,680
does happen and we can't cessation

1471
01:01:38,020 --> 01:01:36,230
things either like you know - and on

1472
01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:38,030
people saying that there's you know huge

1473
01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:42,200
adrenochrome farms where you know we're

1474
01:01:46,660 --> 01:01:44,180
trying to objectively follow the facts

1475
01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:46,670
of where they lead - you know and so

1476
01:01:52,030 --> 01:01:48,590
that's why I'm trying to present it you

1477
01:01:55,630 --> 01:01:52,040
know to present their argument is false

1478
01:01:58,450 --> 01:01:55,640
I have to show why it is false and some

1479
01:02:00,790 --> 01:01:58,460
people will read this who previously did

1480
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:00,800
not believe in ritual satanic abuse or

1481
01:02:04,330 --> 01:02:01,970
did not believe that the government is

1482
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:04,340
involved in such things some people will

1483
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:06,110
come to the conclusion that it is a real

1484
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,390
thing that's why it's important I mean I

1485
01:02:11,890 --> 01:02:09,920
even saw with Henry Clements when I

1486
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:11,900
asked him claims that were written about

1487
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:14,510
him in books of statements that he made

1488
01:02:18,010 --> 01:02:16,010
and he said I never made that statement

1489
01:02:19,930 --> 01:02:18,020
and him you know and me interviewing him

1490
01:02:22,060 --> 01:02:19,940
multiple multiple times in us having

1491
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:22,070
conversations throughout many months and

1492
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:24,230
him never changing his story and him

1493
01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:26,330
never adding things or embellishing

1494
01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:30,470
things or anything like that as an

1495
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:33,470
author I have to you know show what the

1496
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,570
evidence shows and not take things out

1497
01:02:40,750 --> 01:02:38,000
of context not put words in people's

1498
01:02:42,430 --> 01:02:40,760
mouths so I have you know I think it's

1499
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:42,440
important for me to do these things

1500
01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:44,570
because there will be some people who

1501
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:46,940
will not everyone you're right you can't

1502
01:02:51,310 --> 01:02:49,310
you can't get everyone to look at it

1503
01:02:54,010 --> 01:02:51,320
some people don't want to stare until

1504
01:02:55,570 --> 01:02:54,020
abyss and realize how evil this is want

1505
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:55,580
to see that it goes to the top levels of

1506
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:57,050
government they want to live with their

1507
01:03:01,300 --> 01:02:58,640
head buried in the sand because they

1508
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:01,310
can't just face that cruel harsh true

1509
01:03:06,670 --> 01:03:04,010
reality of life in the world that we

1510
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:06,680
live in but still for some that still

1511
01:03:11,860 --> 01:03:08,930
hold on to the objectivity you have to

1512
01:03:15,460 --> 01:03:11,870
show them of why these narratives are

1513
01:03:18,910 --> 01:03:15,470
wrong because if we go with if I just

1514
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,920
start out with you know everything that

1515
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:20,480
deals with satanic ritual abuse in all

1516
01:03:24,190 --> 01:03:22,430
of these cases and I just start out with

1517
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:24,200
that it's gonna immediately turn a whole

1518
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,000
bunch of people off that will not

1519
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:28,160
recognize the true deaths of this and

1520
01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:29,930
there are people that do change their

1521
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:32,030
minds you change your mind is you not

1522
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:33,290
when you started looking into the

1523
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:37,280
evidence yeah I mean but I was already

1524
01:03:41,890 --> 01:03:40,250
predisposed to I mean I think you go

1525
01:03:43,810 --> 01:03:41,900
through these layers it's like layers of

1526
01:03:45,310 --> 01:03:43,820
an onion you know I have a good personal

1527
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:45,320
friend who did not believe it who worked

1528
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,490
for CPS until he read the Franklin

1529
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:49,200
and knew the reports that were given by

1530
01:03:54,050 --> 01:03:51,240
the CPS officials in the Franklin

1531
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,060
scandal that that was what changed him

1532
01:03:58,550 --> 01:03:56,640
he went from not believing it to

1533
01:04:01,820 --> 01:03:58,560
believing it afterwards and doing

1534
01:04:03,290 --> 01:04:01,830
research on his own it happens I agree

1535
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:03,300
with you and I think you make an

1536
01:04:08,180 --> 01:04:05,700
excellent point I love how you just laid

1537
01:04:09,770 --> 01:04:08,190
all that out again in this kind of

1538
01:04:11,420 --> 01:04:09,780
inside baseball discussion which is

1539
01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:11,430
interesting so I'm going to pursue it a

1540
01:04:18,190 --> 01:04:14,280
little bit further the flip side of that

1541
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:18,200
that I was trying to tap into is that

1542
01:04:25,930 --> 01:04:22,170
the bunny trail stuff can get really

1543
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:25,940
frustrating too you know so spending an

1544
01:04:34,670 --> 01:04:30,540
inordinate amount of time on the just

1545
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,680
the ludicrous your story to me I just

1546
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,200
been down that path a million times it's

1547
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:39,119
flat earth kind of stuff it's like

1548
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:42,480
obviously that's a manufactured story

1549
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:44,730
I'm glad that you got the story out

1550
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:47,490
there I just don't you know it's like

1551
01:04:53,570 --> 01:04:50,760
the false equivalency argument the

1552
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,580
skeptical argument like there has to be

1553
01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:55,680
a balance we have to give equal time to

1554
01:05:01,970 --> 01:04:57,990
these other things and you're not saying

1555
01:05:05,540 --> 01:05:01,980
that I'm not I'm I'm saying this is what

1556
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:05,550
they say this is why it's wrong that so

1557
01:05:11,780 --> 01:05:08,130
so I'm just super sensitive to that and

1558
01:05:14,900 --> 01:05:11,790
and because I want to get to not one

1559
01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:14,910
narrative like this is the answer kind

1560
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,950
of narrative but I want to kind of

1561
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:19,200
string this stuff together in a way

1562
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:23,210
that's going to get us more quickly to

1563
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:25,650
understanding this stuff from the big

1564
01:05:29,330 --> 01:05:27,690
picture standpoint so the fact that

1565
01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:29,340
there's this so here's where we're at I

1566
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:31,310
mean back to our story

1567
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:35,730
we got this finders operation that is

1568
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:38,490
also a cult so it's pushing all the

1569
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:40,920
buttons that we know to be the cult

1570
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:43,680
buttons and getting people mind controls

1571
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:47,970
and getting them to give up their common

1572
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:50,730
sense in their their morals their sense

1573
01:05:56,570 --> 01:05:53,130
of self their sense of self all this

1574
01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:56,580
stuff in exchange for these other things

1575
01:06:00,730 --> 01:05:58,740
and in this case it's mixed in with this

1576
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:00,740
sexual abuse of children and

1577
01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:03,260
the rest of that but so back to the to

1578
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:05,240
the story I want to follow the

1579
01:06:10,090 --> 01:06:08,090
chronology if we can so we can imagine

1580
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:10,100
at this point that the Tallahassee

1581
01:06:17,020 --> 01:06:14,090
police they may be acting like hey we're

1582
01:06:19,780 --> 01:06:17,030
just trying to you know reunite these

1583
01:06:22,990 --> 01:06:19,790
kids but you've got to believe that deep

1584
01:06:26,290 --> 01:06:23,000
down and again folks John brisson has

1585
01:06:29,230 --> 01:06:26,300
talked to got picked up the phone picked

1586
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:29,240
up the Skype and talked to people from

1587
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:31,490
the Tallahassee Police Department that

1588
01:06:38,650 --> 01:06:34,690
remember this case this is a real

1589
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:38,660
researcher investigator who has unique

1590
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:41,450
information to bring to this it's just

1591
01:06:47,290 --> 01:06:43,130
kind of remarkable you know back to the

1592
01:06:49,810 --> 01:06:47,300
beginning very beginning intro who the

1593
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:49,820
hell is doing this you know I talked to

1594
01:06:53,350 --> 01:06:51,230
all these like I said all these

1595
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:53,360
academics I talked to that want to

1596
01:06:58,540 --> 01:06:55,850
dismiss this or not want find and find a

1597
01:07:00,550 --> 01:06:58,550
reason not to believe it please call up

1598
01:07:03,540 --> 01:07:00,560
the Tallahassee Police like John did

1599
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:03,550
please call up the Tallahassee Police

1600
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:05,570
investigators who worked on the case

1601
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:08,960
talk to them so back to the Tallahassee

1602
01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:11,119
Police I know a little bit about how

1603
01:07:16,420 --> 01:07:13,750
police investigations work these guys

1604
01:07:18,340 --> 01:07:16,430
know these people are guilty and they

1605
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,350
want the parents to come in because they

1606
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:21,680
want to get their testimony some of them

1607
01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:22,250
do

1608
01:07:30,849 --> 01:07:28,190
and they so they bring in okay so they

1609
01:07:33,790 --> 01:07:30,859
they take the children to be examined by

1610
01:07:36,099 --> 01:07:33,800
a doctor to see if any if any sexual

1611
01:07:38,830 --> 01:07:36,109
molestation had taken place

1612
01:07:41,020 --> 01:07:38,840
I'm still trying I'm still trying to

1613
01:07:42,730 --> 01:07:41,030
track down those reports or trying to

1614
01:07:44,859 --> 01:07:42,740
track down anybody that can verify

1615
01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:44,869
outside of Tallahassee Police Department

1616
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,720
documents on those and so they bring in

1617
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:49,760
dr. diamond greenberg well dr. diamond

1618
01:07:54,340 --> 01:07:51,920
Greenberg was for the defense of the

1619
01:07:57,370 --> 01:07:54,350
McMartin trial and he was one to lead

1620
01:08:00,520 --> 01:07:57,380
you know experts for the defense to cash

1621
01:08:02,170 --> 01:08:00,530
a donkey MacFarlane houki McFarlane was

1622
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,180
you know the therapist he was

1623
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:03,920
interviewing the children and the main

1624
01:08:06,070 --> 01:08:05,210
therapist was interviewing the children

1625
01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:06,080
for the McMartin case

1626
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:08,300
hey David quickly interject a quick

1627
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:10,609
question I have no idea why did they

1628
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,210
bring him in

1629
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:14,880
sounds very suspicious that he was the

1630
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:17,130
guy who was brought in because there's a

1631
01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:20,089
man named grey collar who worked for the

1632
01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:23,190
NHS in Florida who used to live in

1633
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:26,910
Chicago who knew Greenberg and Greenberg

1634
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:29,880
set himself up as a lead expert in

1635
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:33,449
trying to determine you know child abuse

1636
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:35,790
he we had this organization called child

1637
01:08:39,919 --> 01:08:37,650
abuse unit for studies out of the

1638
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,929
University of Illinois I guess you know

1639
01:08:43,820 --> 01:08:41,520
where I'm going and I'm trying to bring

1640
01:08:47,180 --> 01:08:43,830
the audience along what we've come to

1641
01:08:50,689 --> 01:08:47,190
understand is a lot of these groups that

1642
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:50,699
routinely testify in defense of these

1643
01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:53,460
pedophiles in these trials are kind of a

1644
01:08:59,090 --> 01:08:56,190
well organized yes work of the false

1645
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,100
memory soon yes phony baloney [\h__\h]

1646
01:09:04,099 --> 01:09:01,440
connected with NAMBLA and this guy

1647
01:09:06,919 --> 01:09:04,109
sounds like kind of the same thing in

1648
01:09:10,249 --> 01:09:06,929
the fact he's kind of hand-picked to

1649
01:09:12,110 --> 01:09:10,259
come in and give testimony contradict

1650
01:09:14,900 --> 01:09:12,120
you know to put the facts in a certain

1651
01:09:18,769 --> 01:09:14,910
way have you done any investigation into

1652
01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:18,779
who might have been behind positioning

1653
01:09:22,999 --> 01:09:21,420
him in that way other than great Kohler

1654
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:23,009
have not been able to figure out

1655
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:24,719
anything else that goes higher than him

1656
01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:26,279
now Greenberg thinking of charging

1657
01:09:30,349 --> 01:09:28,380
Florida Health rehabilitative services a

1658
01:09:32,780 --> 01:09:30,359
hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars

1659
01:09:34,459 --> 01:09:32,790
for his work on the finders case I mean

1660
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:34,469
he was offered nine contracts for his

1661
01:09:37,220 --> 01:09:35,880
work on the finders case to improve

1662
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:37,230
florida's response and training to

1663
01:09:41,599 --> 01:09:39,089
handle child sexual abuse after the case

1664
01:09:43,340 --> 01:09:41,609
in greenberg even mentions through some

1665
01:09:44,749 --> 01:09:43,350
of the news articles that he does say

1666
01:09:46,939 --> 01:09:44,759
the children were neglected

1667
01:09:49,220 --> 01:09:46,949
unlike McMartin we didn't think nothing

1668
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:49,230
happened but he later came to the

1669
01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:51,210
conclusion that they were not sexually

1670
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:53,940
abused and so we the only evidence that

1671
01:09:58,729 --> 01:09:56,340
we have of sexual abuse is the

1672
01:10:00,140 --> 01:09:58,739
examinations by dr. Moore who I tried to

1673
01:10:02,450 --> 01:10:00,150
track down two that he's been deceased

1674
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:02,460
for five years and I'm still trying to

1675
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:04,860
track down Jane Patil of the Florida

1676
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:07,380
Health rehabilitative services to see if

1677
01:10:13,010 --> 01:10:10,110
I can get her side but he mentioned that

1678
01:10:15,860 --> 01:10:13,020
it was in and this is preliminary review

1679
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:15,870
this isn't you know this isn't I wish we

1680
01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:18,030
had something more substantive the

1681
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:19,260
Disciplinary me that

1682
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:21,450
I haven't you know there's more than

1683
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:22,590
what's in the tax please for my

1684
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:25,020
documents a max Livingstone lack Anil

1685
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:26,640
speaker control consistent with previous

1686
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:29,370
previous sodomy Jordan Rico's right

1687
01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:31,890
hymen was absent and a large vaginal

1688
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:33,750
orifice which is consistent with digital

1689
01:10:39,620 --> 01:10:36,420
penetration that was never followed up

1690
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:39,630
so rather than believe other them

1691
01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:41,850
eventually saying that nothing happened

1692
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:43,590
both the Tai Chi Police Department and

1693
01:10:48,740 --> 01:10:46,500
the news media and dr. diamond Greenberg

1694
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:48,750
okay so so here's the really interesting

1695
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:50,730
part of this story and that's a

1696
01:10:54,650 --> 01:10:52,590
misstatement cuz the whole story is

1697
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:54,660
interesting but let's skip ahead a

1698
01:10:59,180 --> 01:10:56,460
little bit because the Tallahassee

1699
01:11:02,030 --> 01:10:59,190
Police are still investigating this and

1700
01:11:03,650 --> 01:11:02,040
then they're called off it said hey

1701
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:03,660
maybe you don't want to look there and

1702
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:06,930
then let's lead back to as quickly as we

1703
01:11:11,210 --> 01:11:08,910
can Martinez because I think that

1704
01:11:14,620 --> 01:11:11,220
provides overwhelming evidence that

1705
01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:14,630
these kids were being sexually molested

1706
01:11:21,260 --> 01:11:18,390
abused tortured all the rest of it so

1707
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:21,270
tie those strings together so as far the

1708
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:23,250
ties the police department is concerned

1709
01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:25,890
skip Clements gave me in his interview

1710
01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:29,630
that the FBI in Jacksonville told the

1711
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:33,720
FBI's to told the police department to

1712
01:11:38,150 --> 01:11:36,720
to wrap up their case where Kaufman on

1713
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:38,160
the other hand just says the case was

1714
01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:41,970
done that he reunited the children with

1715
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,320
their parents and it was up to the

1716
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:46,080
courts to decide whether or not anything

1717
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:48,510
had occurred when the shorter should be

1718
01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:50,970
released back to their parents I want to

1719
01:11:54,380 --> 01:11:52,620
talk to Scott hunt the taxi police

1720
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,390
department was very vocal at the time he

1721
01:11:58,460 --> 01:11:56,880
was though organizer of the press about

1722
01:12:00,500 --> 01:11:58,470
what was going on that the children were

1723
01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:00,510
molested and that it was satanic ritual

1724
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:03,030
abuse but he will not talk to anyone so

1725
01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:05,100
hopefully one day that Scott who never

1726
01:12:08,660 --> 01:12:07,140
listens to this interview I I hope that

1727
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:08,670
he does reach out to me every time

1728
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:09,900
Derrick Rose or just reaches out to

1729
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:14,370
someone so that is the way it is framed

1730
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:17,580
was that it's you know it just was a

1731
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:19,110
natural course of vestigation and it was

1732
01:12:23,540 --> 01:12:20,850
wrapped up and it was put off to the

1733
01:12:25,190 --> 01:12:23,550
courts okay so just this is what I heard

1734
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:25,200
and I guess I'm picking through these

1735
01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:27,960
little bits that I remember I heard

1736
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:29,400
there's people in the Tallahassee Police

1737
01:12:33,050 --> 01:12:31,530
that are really pissed off and they're

1738
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,060
like what the hell is going on what do

1739
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:36,000
wrap up our investigation that's what

1740
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:37,290
Clement said it I would have to agree

1741
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:38,580
with them because the Tallahassee Police

1742
01:12:45,890 --> 01:12:43,040
Department documents are not redacted I

1743
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:45,900
mean the FBI release its how has he

1744
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:47,340
please Farber dock documents and they

1745
01:12:52,460 --> 01:12:49,410
redacted them and you're supposed to

1746
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:52,470
redact certain information in most

1747
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:54,210
documents those documents are not

1748
01:13:01,220 --> 01:12:57,030
redacted at all what I hear you saying

1749
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:01,230
is they are making a statement in not

1750
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:03,570
redacting those documents they're saying

1751
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:07,050
we're not playing ball here and hiding

1752
01:13:12,620 --> 01:13:09,090
this crime that's what I hear you saying

1753
01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:12,630
I would have to say yes I have no firm

1754
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,950
evidence on that I would just have to

1755
01:13:16,460 --> 01:13:15,120
say with what I know

1756
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:16,470
yeah because most of time you're

1757
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:19,290
supposed to redact certain information

1758
01:13:23,210 --> 01:13:22,050
the victims names sometimes or on

1759
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:23,220
especially if they're children you're

1760
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:25,110
supposed to redact their names no

1761
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:27,330
reductions were performed even when I

1762
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,410
got the stored forward a Police

1763
01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:30,000
Department documents on James Tower and

1764
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:31,590
I've seen many many many different types

1765
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:33,450
of documents ranging from law

1766
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:37,020
enforcement to FBI to CIA you read just

1767
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:39,000
you're supposed to redact certain things

1768
01:13:42,740 --> 01:13:40,860
Tyus at least and I'm grateful they

1769
01:13:44,510 --> 01:13:42,750
didn't redact anything nothing's

1770
01:13:46,670 --> 01:13:44,520
redacted antastic least Department

1771
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:46,680
documents it's it's just the documents

1772
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:48,900
and we have further evidence as the

1773
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,540
story goes that would corroborate and

1774
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:54,000
seem to be consistent with this idea

1775
01:13:58,820 --> 01:13:56,820
that they were pulled off of a case that

1776
01:14:01,040 --> 01:13:58,830
they didn't think they should be pulled

1777
01:14:04,010 --> 01:14:01,050
off of and that's what gets us to

1778
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:04,020
Martinez when the same thing happens to

1779
01:14:09,710 --> 01:14:07,800
him so who is Ramon Jay Martinez and how

1780
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:09,720
does he fit into the story so Ramon Jay

1781
01:14:13,460 --> 01:14:11,970
Martinez was an exemplary customs

1782
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:13,470
officer who worked for the child

1783
01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:16,770
pornography division headed by John

1784
01:14:23,780 --> 01:14:20,280
Sullivan and you're what basic time

1785
01:14:27,530 --> 01:14:23,790
frame is this late 80s so this 1980s

1786
01:14:29,470 --> 01:14:27,540
he's working for the customs office what

1787
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,480
is the customs office doing

1788
01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:32,100
investigating child pornography and one

1789
01:14:36,110 --> 01:14:34,380
time they did they don't anymore that

1790
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:36,120
was ended after the finders and they

1791
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:39,600
tried to get another bill passed by Tom

1792
01:14:42,380 --> 01:14:40,920
Lewis representative Tom Lewis in

1793
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:42,390
Florida to reinstate the child

1794
01:14:48,020 --> 01:14:46,170
pornography unit he was not

1795
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:48,030
basic letting you jump three steps ahead

1796
01:14:53,959 --> 01:14:52,410
you're in customs customs is responsible

1797
01:14:57,260 --> 01:14:53,969
for stuff that comes into the

1798
01:15:00,080 --> 01:14:57,270
trafficking trafficking bad stuff out

1799
01:15:03,010 --> 01:15:00,090
and only letting good stuff in so it

1800
01:15:05,150 --> 01:15:03,020
isn't too much of an extension of those

1801
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:05,160
responsibilities to think that they

1802
01:15:10,850 --> 01:15:08,130
would be interested in children who are

1803
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:10,860
not coming in and pornography that

1804
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:12,780
violates our laws if we have child

1805
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:15,449
pornography done by somebody overseas

1806
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:17,880
that is not supposed to come in so that

1807
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:21,570
might be under the purview of customs it

1808
01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:24,960
was in the 1980s so Martinez was

1809
01:15:29,959 --> 01:15:27,510
responsible for looking into this and

1810
01:15:33,130 --> 01:15:29,969
what does he stumble across in

1811
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:33,140
Washington DC so when the Taha see

1812
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:35,880
informations going on they contact the

1813
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:37,410
Washington Metropolitan Police

1814
01:15:40,610 --> 01:15:38,760
Department once they find out that the

1815
01:15:42,530 --> 01:15:40,620
finders are involved at their Washington

1816
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:42,540
so the Washington Metropolitan Police

1817
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:44,760
Department contacts the FBI they contact

1818
01:15:50,990 --> 01:15:48,420
the customs agency so Ramon J Martinez

1819
01:15:53,330 --> 01:15:51,000
goes to investigate the finders

1820
01:15:56,780 --> 01:15:53,340
warehouse in the finders apartments

1821
01:15:59,600 --> 01:15:56,790
buildings on W Street and so during his

1822
01:16:01,850 --> 01:15:59,610
investigation which I later corroborated

1823
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:01,860
I'm the first person that I know of to

1824
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:04,110
get his partner Bob Herold on the record

1825
01:16:06,919 --> 01:16:05,100
with what he found

1826
01:16:08,750 --> 01:16:06,929
and Bob Harold okay so we've had Ramon

1827
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,760
Jay Martinez's report of the fistic

1828
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:10,080
investigation that's been on the

1829
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:11,370
internet since the bat the days of

1830
01:16:15,860 --> 01:16:14,250
Usenet back in the 90s big picture what

1831
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,870
does that report say and then tell me

1832
01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:17,520
about its partners so Larry's I want to

1833
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:18,300
get to that except they're gonna

1834
01:16:21,950 --> 01:16:19,590
disclose something here that is not

1835
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:21,960
previously known it's very important Bob

1836
01:16:26,660 --> 01:16:23,850
heralds report of investigation used to

1837
01:16:28,100 --> 01:16:26,670
be on Usenet - it's completely scrubbed

1838
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:28,110
off the face of the internet and does

1839
01:16:32,030 --> 01:16:30,570
not exist I cannot find it Bob Harold

1840
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:32,040
tried to find it he can't find it he

1841
01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:33,810
doesn't have a copy of it it does not

1842
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:37,320
exist so they set up the narrative what

1843
01:16:41,689 --> 01:16:38,850
I'm about to tell you about Ramon J

1844
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:41,699
Martinez that he was alone not her that

1845
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:44,400
he did this to advance his position and

1846
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:46,350
customs and that he made it all up

1847
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,830
and try to bury any corroborating

1848
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,080
evidence that had the to his report of

1849
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:54,960
what he found and that is complete and

1850
01:17:00,050 --> 01:16:58,560
utter bull crap okay well it's again

1851
01:17:03,950 --> 01:17:00,060
we're going to get back that Oh

1852
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:03,960
it's bullcrap because the Tallahassee

1853
01:17:09,380 --> 01:17:07,710
police in 1987 arrested these guys in

1854
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:09,390
the park and there were all these kids

1855
01:17:15,740 --> 01:17:12,600
that were severely mistreated and the

1856
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:15,750
kids tied back to Washington DC I mean

1857
01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:16,560
there's directness

1858
01:17:22,340 --> 01:17:19,380
that's why the Tallahassee police was

1859
01:17:25,460 --> 01:17:22,350
even able to tell Martinez and as you

1860
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:25,470
point out watching DC police say oh yeah

1861
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:27,450
that place we investigated that years

1862
01:17:30,740 --> 01:17:29,130
ago and we've been investigating it ever

1863
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:30,750
seen over the past couple of years

1864
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,490
because the reports that have called in

1865
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:34,560
and stuff like that it's nothing new so

1866
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,650
again that that false narrative I mean

1867
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:39,120
we can spend some time on it like you're

1868
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:40,320
saying to let people know that it's a

1869
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:41,970
false narrative but we don't have to

1870
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:44,510
overemphasize it cuz it's just frickin

1871
01:17:51,980 --> 01:17:47,730
ridiculous given everything we know so

1872
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:51,990
now what does Martinez's report actually

1873
01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:53,610
say because we're have reason to believe

1874
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:56,190
that that's more truthful than the false

1875
01:18:01,550 --> 01:17:59,400
narrative and how does you know Bob

1876
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:01,560
Harold who you talked to directly what

1877
01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:04,170
are those reports collectively

1878
01:18:10,970 --> 01:18:09,000
let us know so first they raid the W

1879
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:10,980
Street apartments and in there they find

1880
01:18:15,620 --> 01:18:13,920
finders members do miles Silverstone in

1881
01:18:17,630 --> 01:18:15,630
a room that contain many computers

1882
01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:17,640
printers and contain numerous documents

1883
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:20,760
now when I talked to Harold he told me

1884
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,530
that a majority of the computer

1885
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:24,960
equipment was taken out before they had

1886
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:26,370
gotten there someone had tipped them off

1887
01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:29,310
before they had raided the apartments

1888
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:31,110
and the warehouse we talk about the

1889
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:33,330
world warehouse rate later and the

1890
01:18:36,710 --> 01:18:34,560
computers that were in the warehouse

1891
01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:36,720
where they had equipment in there too as

1892
01:18:41,150 --> 01:18:38,820
well was completely gone okay so and

1893
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:41,160
where else did they raid they did the

1894
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:43,650
finders warehouse in Washington DC they

1895
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:45,570
raided both places so they found

1896
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:46,890
documents supposedly containing

1897
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:48,330
instructions on obtaining children for

1898
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,730
unknown purposes they found telex

1899
01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:53,280
messages with MCI account numbers they

1900
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,870
found one telex ordered a purchase of

1901
01:18:58,370 --> 01:18:56,880
children of two children in Hong Kong

1902
01:19:00,920 --> 01:18:58,380
to be arranged from a contact in the

1903
01:19:03,230 --> 01:19:00,930
Chinese embassy in Hong Kong but they

1904
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:03,240
found a Chinese national genius

1905
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,090
sing-alongs who was an anatomy student

1906
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:08,400
at Georgetown University who was staying

1907
01:19:13,370 --> 01:19:11,850
there too also and of course Mary who

1908
01:19:13,890 --> 01:19:13,380
was Jordan Rico to the Tallahassee

1909
01:19:15,959 --> 01:19:13,900
Police

1910
01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:15,969
Department she claims that you know

1911
01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:17,500
there were a lot of Chinese people that

1912
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:18,670
were around the apartments and they

1913
01:19:22,740 --> 01:19:20,050
actually taught her to count to ten in

1914
01:19:25,290 --> 01:19:22,750
Chinese so this doesn't they also find

1915
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:25,300
that that's fantastic information it's

1916
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,110
horrible

1917
01:19:29,370 --> 01:19:28,239
information but I'm glad that you share

1918
01:19:30,959 --> 01:19:29,380
all that don't they also find

1919
01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:30,969
information on like kind of instruction

1920
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:33,340
manuals and how to groom and part of

1921
01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:36,190
what photographers and child molesters

1922
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:38,230
would would have other consistent

1923
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:41,170
information with that they find books on

1924
01:19:46,649 --> 01:19:44,290
mind-control and they find books on

1925
01:19:49,050 --> 01:19:46,659
papers about the impregnation of the

1926
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:49,060
women in the finders group operation

1927
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:51,250
because it's horrific as this is people

1928
01:19:55,979 --> 01:19:54,130
should know that among some of these

1929
01:19:58,649 --> 01:19:55,989
groups that commit these horrible crimes

1930
01:20:02,850 --> 01:19:58,659
against children they're done at a very

1931
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:02,860
young age so newborns infants you know

1932
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:06,489
it's just prime property to this kind of

1933
01:20:11,310 --> 01:20:09,310
evil and and they also found a summary

1934
01:20:13,709 --> 01:20:11,320
of events of Tallahassee that was being

1935
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:13,719
communicated by the finders operation

1936
01:20:17,399 --> 01:20:16,090
from them because there's two vans there

1937
01:20:19,649 --> 01:20:17,409
was a group of fighters members who were

1938
01:20:22,410 --> 01:20:19,659
not caught separate from a merman and

1939
01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:22,420
Halliwell that went back to DC

1940
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,030
afterwards said they were sending

1941
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,320
information from a second trs-80

1942
01:20:30,959 --> 01:20:28,480
computer that was found outside of the

1943
01:20:32,910 --> 01:20:30,969
University of Florida bingo so we have a

1944
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:32,920
direct connection between the

1945
01:20:36,300 --> 01:20:35,050
Tallahassee case and again it's like

1946
01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:36,310
that's what pisses me off about the

1947
01:20:41,459 --> 01:20:37,870
false narrative stuff I'm why do we even

1948
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:41,469
have to talk that much about it but I

1949
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:42,610
know the interesting thing about I want

1950
01:20:45,180 --> 01:20:43,810
to get out is there was a series of

1951
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:45,190
instruction we're also found how to

1952
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:46,810
continue moving children to avoid police

1953
01:20:50,939 --> 01:20:49,570
detection well why what children what

1954
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:50,949
children other than the six children

1955
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:52,960
were they you know the do those children

1956
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:56,080
were put into protective custody and so

1957
01:21:00,330 --> 01:20:58,210
you have a detailed summer of events of

1958
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:00,340
what happened in Tallahassee why would

1959
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:03,250
you get orders about moving children to

1960
01:21:10,410 --> 01:21:06,250
avoid police detection after that so we

1961
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:10,420
have an incredibly creepy evil in the in

1962
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:12,250
the way that that anyone would account

1963
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:13,600
for it and we'll talk about extended

1964
01:21:16,919 --> 01:21:14,890
consciousness maybe when we talk about

1965
01:21:19,140 --> 01:21:16,929
Christianity and Satanism all that stuff

1966
01:21:22,379 --> 01:21:19,150
but this is evil right so this is yes

1967
01:21:25,379 --> 01:21:22,389
anyone would say anyone says this is

1968
01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:25,389
evil these are defenseless human beings

1969
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:27,880
at such a tender age there are be

1970
01:21:30,780 --> 01:21:28,330
arrived

1971
01:21:32,940 --> 01:21:30,790
innocence their lives are destroyed it's

1972
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:32,950
not innocence their entire lives are

1973
01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:34,930
destroyed their psyche is destroyed and

1974
01:21:39,210 --> 01:21:36,790
it's adding on they're adding on to it

1975
01:21:41,250 --> 01:21:39,220
mind control and all this other horrible

1976
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:41,260
horrible horrific stuff how does that

1977
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:43,090
connect to our United States government

1978
01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:45,010
because it does directly and you have

1979
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:47,560
proof of it and we need to get that

1980
01:21:51,180 --> 01:21:49,510
proof out there and well I do want to

1981
01:21:53,550 --> 01:21:51,190
say about the warehouse real quick that

1982
01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:53,560
they did find a doctrine Asian center

1983
01:21:57,480 --> 01:21:55,660
they found video equipment they found

1984
01:22:00,000 --> 01:21:57,490
jars of urine and feces in the

1985
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:00,010
residential area so the warehouse you

1986
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:01,930
know like I when I talked about the

1987
01:22:06,630 --> 01:22:04,480
information with Harold he mentioned

1988
01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:06,640
that they had computer equipment there

1989
01:22:11,060 --> 01:22:08,950
that they were tipped off beforehand and

1990
01:22:13,710 --> 01:22:11,070
night before that they had Chinese

1991
01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:13,720
witnesses who owned a warehouse next to

1992
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:15,940
the finders warehouse that they were

1993
01:22:21,330 --> 01:22:18,160
loading equipment in boxes and boxes

1994
01:22:23,150 --> 01:22:21,340
into vans the night before the raid

1995
01:22:26,220 --> 01:22:23,160
occurred so someone tipped them off

1996
01:22:28,740 --> 01:22:26,230
right which is important to know but we

1997
01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:28,750
have enough information there to sink

1998
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:31,140
them a million times over and put them

1999
01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:35,110
way way down where they need to go so

2000
01:22:44,910 --> 01:22:39,990
imagine again this is a law enforcement

2001
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:44,920
investigation Martinez and Harold are

2002
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:46,570
there with the rest of their

2003
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:48,490
investigators it's a raid we've seen him

2004
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:51,030
on TV we know this is what this is like

2005
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:53,710
but this raid only goes so far because

2006
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:55,120
again they get the tap on the shoulder

2007
01:23:01,290 --> 01:22:57,730
right well the information disappears

2008
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:01,300
when Martinez and Harold go to review

2009
01:23:04,860 --> 01:23:03,310
the information you know the Telex is

2010
01:23:07,650 --> 01:23:04,870
the documents that they had found when

2011
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:07,660
they go to look at the evidence it's

2012
01:23:15,870 --> 01:23:11,710
gone it's miraculously disappeared it

2013
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:15,880
cannot be found and then Martinez meets

2014
01:23:20,130 --> 01:23:18,550
with a source off the record that you

2015
01:23:22,230 --> 01:23:20,140
know pretty much tells them that's it

2016
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:22,240
nothing that can be done you know

2017
01:23:26,670 --> 01:23:23,830
further investigation is gonna happen

2018
01:23:28,350 --> 01:23:26,680
and nothing happens of it how do they

2019
01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:28,360
understand this is linked to the CIA and

2020
01:23:34,260 --> 01:23:31,630
the FBI and the new documents that were

2021
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:34,270
released by the FBI fall the CIA was

2022
01:23:38,220 --> 01:23:36,910
investigating the finders well within

2023
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:38,230
the 1960s

2024
01:23:41,340 --> 01:23:40,510
Miriam Petty's wife Isabelle penny

2025
01:23:42,180 --> 01:23:41,350
worked for the Central Intelligence

2026
01:23:44,580 --> 01:23:42,190
Agency

2027
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:44,590
secretary he put her in there to gain

2028
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,770
information from the CIA the FBI was

2029
01:23:54,209 --> 01:23:49,600
investigating the finders as early as

2030
01:23:56,189 --> 01:23:54,219
the late 1960s the early 1970s as well

2031
01:23:58,020 --> 01:23:56,199
Toby Terrell worked for a company called

2032
01:23:59,610 --> 01:23:58,030
future enterprises where future

2033
01:24:02,700 --> 01:23:59,620
enterprises his computer training

2034
01:24:05,459 --> 01:24:02,710
company whose Toby Terrell he was very

2035
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:05,469
high up within the finders operation his

2036
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:07,600
name is Robert Gardner Tyrell and he was

2037
01:24:13,310 --> 01:24:10,810
Marian Petty's second-in-command what

2038
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:13,320
other evidence do we have the finders

2039
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:17,770
operation / cold had connections and was

2040
01:24:23,550 --> 01:24:20,290
part of this brownstone operation that

2041
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:23,560
was ongoing inside of both the FBI and

2042
01:24:29,820 --> 01:24:25,690
the CIA because as we established early

2043
01:24:32,490 --> 01:24:29,830
on there is an irresistible desire for

2044
01:24:35,550 --> 01:24:32,500
these intelligence organizations to use

2045
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:35,560
this exploitation of children regardless

2046
01:24:40,740 --> 01:24:37,090
of who's doing it in this case this

2047
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:40,750
horrific finders group they still want

2048
01:24:45,870 --> 01:24:43,449
the kids so that they can entrap people

2049
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:45,880
and blackmail them so how do we

2050
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:48,250
establish that that connection really

2051
01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:51,310
did happen because of the equipment that

2052
01:24:56,970 --> 01:24:54,430
was found at the warehouse as well them

2053
01:24:59,550 --> 01:24:56,980
also taking supposedly video cassettes

2054
01:25:01,520 --> 01:24:59,560
and pictures out of the warehouse that

2055
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:01,530
contained child pornography that

2056
01:25:07,050 --> 01:25:04,690
Martinez and Harold never were able to

2057
01:25:08,459 --> 01:25:07,060
look at again however there's many news

2058
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:08,469
reports that those pictures were

2059
01:25:13,140 --> 01:25:10,000
carrying around in plastic bags as

2060
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:13,150
evidence as well as in Toby Trails book

2061
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:15,040
the game caller and I have not talked to

2062
01:25:20,130 --> 01:25:17,290
Athena peroneus yet former FBI agent but

2063
01:25:23,700 --> 01:25:20,140
I will talk with her he says that she

2064
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:23,710
told him that you know because he was

2065
01:25:28,290 --> 01:25:26,530
she shows up and she well she calls him

2066
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:28,300
at future enterprisers office wanting to

2067
01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:29,920
talk to him and he goes okay so he

2068
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:31,540
because he's hiding out there at first

2069
01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:33,730
so he meets her down there and so they

2070
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:36,070
talk and so she pretty much tells him

2071
01:25:41,729 --> 01:25:39,850
that don't worry be kept under wraps

2072
01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:41,739
that's not her exact quote that's using

2073
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:44,380
the book but it's it's to that and so

2074
01:25:49,620 --> 01:25:47,170
you know when Athena of rhodius when all

2075
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:49,630
when she goes to see the evidence that

2076
01:25:55,260 --> 01:25:52,810
Ramon Martinez had found and she goes to

2077
01:25:56,130 --> 01:25:55,270
investigate the warehouse and the

2078
01:25:58,590 --> 01:25:56,140
apartment building Zack

2079
01:26:03,090 --> 01:25:58,600
two words she says she finds nothing and

2080
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,100
makes out that Martinez is a liar so

2081
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:04,960
they were burying the FBI was burying it

2082
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:08,080
from the get-go so that's circumstantial

2083
01:26:15,390 --> 01:26:10,450
evidence it's good what other evidence

2084
01:26:21,090 --> 01:26:15,400
do we have linking Martinez to CIA or

2085
01:26:22,830 --> 01:26:21,100
FBI programs what do you mean I mean

2086
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:22,840
other than Clements giving the testimony

2087
01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:25,120
that you know the customs agents were

2088
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:27,910
told by the intelligence operations to

2089
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:30,370
stand down it's a second day of their

2090
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:33,220
investigation of the of the warehouse in

2091
01:26:36,570 --> 01:26:35,170
apartment if I remember correctly and I

2092
01:26:37,980 --> 01:26:36,580
could be wrong because you know you're

2093
01:26:39,810 --> 01:26:37,990
the principal investigator I just think

2094
01:26:41,940 --> 01:26:39,820
you have an overflow of information in

2095
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:41,950
your head they're told directly that

2096
01:26:46,230 --> 01:26:44,080
this is a CIA operation don't go yes

2097
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:46,240
they're told directly this CIA operation

2098
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:49,360
to stand down yes who was told when are

2099
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:52,330
they told that's customs agents were

2100
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:55,210
told this by testimony of Henry Clements

2101
01:26:59,100 --> 01:26:56,770
who was an investigator above Glendale

2102
01:27:01,050 --> 01:26:59,110
and the finders and who Ramon Jay

2103
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:01,060
Martinez had a mission that he respected

2104
01:27:05,700 --> 01:27:03,130
Clements and his whistleblower complaint

2105
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:05,710
to give you know Clements credibility he

2106
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:07,840
was told through his investigation that

2107
01:27:11,550 --> 01:27:09,610
the customs agents were told that this

2108
01:27:13,740 --> 01:27:11,560
was a CIA operation we're told to stand

2109
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:13,750
down just like the reports that were the

2110
01:27:16,770 --> 01:27:15,370
Metropolitan Police Department reports

2111
01:27:19,380 --> 01:27:16,780
our secret that were you know

2112
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:19,390
Declassified that detective John

2113
01:27:23,610 --> 01:27:21,970
stitcher and Jim Bradley Jim Bradley he

2114
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:23,620
mentions that there are connections to

2115
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:25,120
the Central Intelligence Agency in his

2116
01:27:30,170 --> 01:27:27,850
report but however that there can gently

2117
01:27:33,330 --> 01:27:30,180
and that they were using the finders to

2118
01:27:35,130 --> 01:27:33,340
disseminate inaccurate information that

2119
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:35,140
was the only involvement to the CIA had

2120
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:36,490
with the finders that they would give

2121
01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:37,840
them inaccurate information to

2122
01:27:42,690 --> 01:27:40,720
disseminate to people kind of

2123
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:42,700
disinformation campaign I mean John

2124
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:44,560
stitcher who we don't have his full

2125
01:27:49,290 --> 01:27:48,010
report but I do have his chronology from

2126
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:49,300
the Metropolitan Police Department there

2127
01:27:53,130 --> 01:27:51,250
was unredacted that Henry Clements gave

2128
01:27:55,620 --> 01:27:53,140
to me and I'm the only person with that

2129
01:27:58,440 --> 01:27:55,630
copy that I know of that states that

2130
01:28:03,420 --> 01:27:58,450
Marianne petit had passports to North

2131
01:28:04,380 --> 01:28:03,430
Korea in u.s. SSR in Vietnam through the

2132
01:28:06,150 --> 01:28:04,390
1950s

2133
01:28:07,650 --> 01:28:06,160
throughout the 1980s which would have

2134
01:28:09,450 --> 01:28:07,660
been almost impossible to have sent

2135
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:09,460
passports or to returned back to United

2136
01:28:11,130 --> 01:28:09,730
States

2137
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,140
soyal after visiting those places

2138
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:13,120
without having some sort of higher in

2139
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:15,250
connection to an intelligence agencies

2140
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:17,410
which is listed in that chronology John

2141
01:28:23,490 --> 01:28:19,330
you keep bringing up these connections

2142
01:28:24,990 --> 01:28:23,500
to Communist foreign powers China North

2143
01:28:26,370 --> 01:28:25,000
Korea and stuff like that why do you

2144
01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:26,380
think that's important how do you think

2145
01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:28,900
that fits into this story I don't think

2146
01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:32,470
you're trying to disparage Chinese

2147
01:28:38,010 --> 01:28:36,070
people no no I'm just saying that's

2148
01:28:42,180 --> 01:28:38,020
where that that's just what the evidence

2149
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:42,190
shows in that suspicions in terms of how

2150
01:28:47,070 --> 01:28:45,310
these links work well how is the game I

2151
01:28:48,990 --> 01:28:47,080
mean the people is they listen to this

2152
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:49,000
they're like you are they're saying give

2153
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:50,440
me the evidence give it the evidence but

2154
01:28:54,150 --> 01:28:51,610
then they're switching to the other side

2155
01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:54,160
and goes what's the big picture why why

2156
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:55,870
North Korea why these other things and

2157
01:28:59,400 --> 01:28:57,850
it's cuz there's is rural job

2158
01:29:01,620 --> 01:28:59,410
trafficking usually through a lot of

2159
01:29:04,410 --> 01:29:01,630
those young child child trafficking it's

2160
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,420
worldwide drug trafficking arms ringing

2161
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:06,480
partnering with organizations

2162
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:10,000
governments intelligence organizations

2163
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:13,360
that have greater freedom and control to

2164
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:16,930
do whatever the heck they want to people

2165
01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:19,840
yes and you know you to become allies in

2166
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:23,710
evil deeds yeah I mean very much so so

2167
01:29:27,930 --> 01:29:26,290
they notice illa Tate all this it can't

2168
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:27,940
just happen within the United States and

2169
01:29:30,660 --> 01:29:29,290
above itself you have to work with

2170
01:29:33,090 --> 01:29:30,670
foreign intelligence agencies and

2171
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:33,100
foreign governments you don't have to

2172
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:35,110
but it's a great cover right oh yeah

2173
01:29:39,390 --> 01:29:37,150
yeah I move it to China and now it's

2174
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:39,400
buried you can't get to it it's just

2175
01:29:42,660 --> 01:29:40,690
like if I move it outside of the

2176
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:42,670
government into some private contractor

2177
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:45,489
DynCorp or whatever now it's harder for

2178
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,410
you to get at or Mossad connections to

2179
01:29:51,330 --> 01:29:49,360
Jeffrey Epstein you know it makes about

2180
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:51,340
that so so are there any parallels

2181
01:29:58,500 --> 01:29:54,210
between there are obviously between

2182
01:30:00,660 --> 01:29:58,510
finders and Jeffrey Epstein and what we

2183
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,670
see and the suspicions that we have that

2184
01:30:05,130 --> 01:30:02,400
this is a Brown stoning operation

2185
01:30:07,260 --> 01:30:05,140
intelligence clearly there's all the

2186
01:30:09,330 --> 01:30:07,270
links to Mossad there but there's also

2187
01:30:11,850 --> 01:30:09,340
links to the CIA with the obscene case

2188
01:30:13,620 --> 01:30:11,860
right yes very much so so I mean with

2189
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:13,630
Robert Maxwell and guzheng Maxwell

2190
01:30:19,470 --> 01:30:16,330
Robert Maxwell being termed you know the

2191
01:30:21,420 --> 01:30:19,480
Israeli super spy for the Mossad I mean

2192
01:30:23,729 --> 01:30:21,430
that with every brownstone operation

2193
01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:23,739
where there's Franklin or Epstein or the

2194
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:26,230
finders you have connections to foreign

2195
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:27,760
intelligence ease and connections to

2196
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:29,710
heads of state of foreign governments or

2197
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:31,840
even the governments of your own country

2198
01:30:35,489 --> 01:30:33,730
and I think you know they cooperate with

2199
01:30:38,129 --> 01:30:35,499
one other exactly like you said a minute

2200
01:30:39,629 --> 01:30:38,139
ago Alex it's the kind of you know I can

2201
01:30:40,979 --> 01:30:39,639
only investigate really so much what

2202
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:40,989
happens in the United States I can't

2203
01:30:44,810 --> 01:30:42,639
really look into the Mossad connections

2204
01:30:47,370 --> 01:30:44,820
very easily in Freedom of Information

2205
01:30:48,959 --> 01:30:47,380
requests and at all over there in Israel

2206
01:30:50,580 --> 01:30:48,969
and try to get any information of

2207
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:50,590
certain connections and maybe a more

2208
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:52,210
China you know how am I going to

2209
01:30:54,839 --> 01:30:53,440
petition the Chinese government to

2210
01:30:56,580 --> 01:30:54,849
release any information about the

2211
01:30:58,109 --> 01:30:56,590
finders over there or any investigations

2212
01:31:00,120 --> 01:30:58,119
of finders occurred by the Chinese

2213
01:31:01,259 --> 01:31:00,130
government or Russia I mean it's hard

2214
01:31:05,370 --> 01:31:01,269
enough to get information from my own

2215
01:31:07,649 --> 01:31:05,380
government let alone four governments so

2216
01:31:09,810 --> 01:31:07,659
you're writing this book on the finders

2217
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,820
cult slash operation to have a working

2218
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:11,760
title at this point no I do not

2219
01:31:18,330 --> 01:31:15,760
where do you think this book is going to

2220
01:31:21,029 --> 01:31:18,340
take you what is the angle on the book

2221
01:31:23,339 --> 01:31:21,039
what are you trying to at the end of the

2222
01:31:24,839 --> 01:31:23,349
day what are you trying to reveal the

2223
01:31:28,620 --> 01:31:24,849
biggest thing that I'm trying to do with

2224
01:31:31,319 --> 01:31:28,630
this book is is a way to clear Ramon Jay

2225
01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:31,329
Martinez and that he has been slandered

2226
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:33,190
by multiple people within the media

2227
01:31:36,959 --> 01:31:34,690
there's a guy trying to make a

2228
01:31:38,970 --> 01:31:36,969
documentary named Tyler rabbit you

2229
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,980
interview many finders members and who

2230
01:31:42,540 --> 01:31:40,480
interviewed Ramon Jay Martinez and

2231
01:31:43,859 --> 01:31:42,550
everything and he's trying to push the

2232
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:43,869
narrative that there's nothing to see

2233
01:31:47,189 --> 01:31:45,070
here that there were no intelligence

2234
01:31:48,839 --> 01:31:47,199
connections or anything like that the

2235
01:31:51,569 --> 01:31:48,849
basic narrative the finders were just a

2236
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:51,579
progressive cult and so you know Ramon

2237
01:31:53,970 --> 01:31:52,960
Jay Martinez he lost everything

2238
01:31:56,189 --> 01:31:53,980
you know the customs department

2239
01:31:57,959 --> 01:31:56,199
railroaded him when you breed the

2240
01:32:01,200 --> 01:31:57,969
whistleblower complaint I mean they shut

2241
01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:01,210
him down they destroyed his career so

2242
01:32:05,879 --> 01:32:03,460
this book my main objective with this

2243
01:32:08,100 --> 01:32:05,889
book other than to get down to the

2244
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:08,110
bottom of what really happened is to

2245
01:32:13,109 --> 01:32:10,570
clear ramon jay martinez has named the

2246
01:32:15,089 --> 01:32:13,119
best of my ability because you know

2247
01:32:16,770 --> 01:32:15,099
people still to this day they throw the

2248
01:32:18,779 --> 01:32:16,780
finders out because like Oh Ramon Jay

2249
01:32:21,330 --> 01:32:18,789
Martinez he's just a right-wing militia

2250
01:32:22,830 --> 01:32:21,340
nutter and you know and that's one of

2251
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:22,840
the biggest problems that we have of all

2252
01:32:28,739 --> 01:32:25,030
this trying to show a body of evidence

2253
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:28,749
that just that this occurred you know as

2254
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:30,880
I mentioned very early on you have kind

2255
01:32:36,660 --> 01:32:34,960
of sent me on this journey but you know

2256
01:32:39,150 --> 01:32:36,670
when we interviewing

2257
01:32:43,260 --> 01:32:39,160
Oh Lucas who I just shared with you who

2258
01:32:47,010 --> 01:32:43,270
was sold into sex slavery by her mother

2259
01:32:48,090 --> 01:32:47,020
at six years old and one of the things I

2260
01:32:50,820 --> 01:32:48,100
thought that was interesting because I

2261
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:50,830
want to return to the satanic part of

2262
01:32:57,900 --> 01:32:55,090
the ritual abuse so people have heard my

2263
01:33:01,830 --> 01:32:57,910
interview with Anika and she says how

2264
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:01,840
she was you know just it's horrific

2265
01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:04,239
the rape over and over and over again

2266
01:33:08,580 --> 01:33:05,920
but have been eventually they were going

2267
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:08,590
to kill her and then I'm asking her and

2268
01:33:14,660 --> 01:33:11,170
I said well some people like Ross dizdar

2269
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:14,670
who I talked to also who has worked with

2270
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:18,370
hundreds of victims of satanic ritual

2271
01:33:23,490 --> 01:33:20,560
abuse so he has people to come and say

2272
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:23,500
it was satanic they were wearing robes

2273
01:33:30,209 --> 01:33:26,650
they were drawing these inverted

2274
01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:30,219
pentagram in blood and you know all this

2275
01:33:35,820 --> 01:33:32,230
other this other symbology and they were

2276
01:33:38,700 --> 01:33:35,830
repeating these satanic phrases and he

2277
01:33:41,580 --> 01:33:38,710
has as an investigator who's worked with

2278
01:33:43,470 --> 01:33:41,590
the police he says this is the evidence

2279
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:43,480
you can make with it what you will but

2280
01:33:47,459 --> 01:33:45,310
this is what these people are reporting

2281
01:33:49,979 --> 01:33:47,469
so the interesting thing for me is I'm

2282
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:49,989
talking to Annika and Annika you can

2283
01:33:56,189 --> 01:33:53,290
watch her you know 500,000 viewed

2284
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:56,199
YouTube when she talks about this horror

2285
01:34:01,020 --> 01:33:58,480
of child sex trafficking that she went

2286
01:34:03,780 --> 01:34:01,030
through but the terms are even softened

2287
01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:03,790
its child sex trafficking it's not

2288
01:34:09,870 --> 01:34:06,070
repeatedly being raped and then being

2289
01:34:12,900 --> 01:34:09,880
yeah being on the block to be murdered

2290
01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:12,910
and is spared but here's the point I was

2291
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:14,830
leading up to I said well what about the

2292
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,480
satanic part because I just talked to

2293
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:18,400
Russ and he's big on his tennis shoes oh

2294
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:19,570
yeah

2295
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:23,440
it was satanic ritual abuse and I was

2296
01:34:28,410 --> 01:34:25,090
like blown away like my stomach drops

2297
01:34:30,750 --> 01:34:28,420
cuz here's somebody and she presents as

2298
01:34:32,340 --> 01:34:30,760
this kind of European and she doesn't

2299
01:34:34,770 --> 01:34:32,350
like to throw that out there but when

2300
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:34,780
she's pushed she says of course yeah

2301
01:34:42,090 --> 01:34:38,170
it's satanic so I think we need to

2302
01:34:44,939 --> 01:34:42,100
process that in a way that gets us to

2303
01:34:48,689 --> 01:34:44,949
that next level because you're Christian

2304
01:34:50,610 --> 01:34:48,699
and I don't respect anyone's religious

2305
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:50,620
beliefs I'm sorry I don't respect

2306
01:34:54,900 --> 01:34:52,570
your religious beliefs I don't respect

2307
01:34:56,940 --> 01:34:54,910
anyone's religious beliefs because we're

2308
01:34:58,890 --> 01:34:56,950
not supposed to we're just supposed to

2309
01:35:03,360 --> 01:34:58,900
follow the data we're not this was they

2310
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:03,370
have you don't need me to be kind to you

2311
01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:05,440
or not poke at you

2312
01:35:08,970 --> 01:35:07,540
because you have certain beliefs you put

2313
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,980
your beliefs out there and you have to

2314
01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:10,480
back them up and that's what everybody

2315
01:35:15,630 --> 01:35:12,790
does but I want to get to that next you

2316
01:35:18,150 --> 01:35:15,640
are going to be attacked and you know

2317
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:18,160
this and I'm sure you already are as a

2318
01:35:23,310 --> 01:35:21,280
crazy Christian who is trying to jam

2319
01:35:25,890 --> 01:35:23,320
everything back into a Christian

2320
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:25,900
narrative and I want to talk so that's

2321
01:35:30,270 --> 01:35:27,130
one of the reasons I want to talk about

2322
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:30,280
this and talk about you know we've just

2323
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:33,040
had a two-hour discussion and you didn't

2324
01:35:36,630 --> 01:35:34,960
bring up Christianity at all you just

2325
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:36,640
said this document followed by this

2326
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:38,650
document followed by this police report

2327
01:35:44,430 --> 01:35:40,960
followed by this investigator who I

2328
01:35:50,190 --> 01:35:44,440
talked to who said this so that's not

2329
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:50,200
been your agenda but now from us as a

2330
01:35:57,530 --> 01:35:53,890
skeptical guy I want to know why the

2331
01:36:00,180 --> 01:35:57,540
hell do you want to jam this back into a

2332
01:36:02,370 --> 01:36:00,190
Christian narrative why do you think it

2333
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:02,380
has to be one of the things that really

2334
01:36:08,820 --> 01:36:06,070
kind of pissed me off John is in the

2335
01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:08,830
email you sent me you kind of said yeah

2336
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:10,600
as long as it all leads back to

2337
01:36:17,790 --> 01:36:14,290
Christianity why why does this evil have

2338
01:36:21,450 --> 01:36:17,800
to lead back to this narrow dogmatic

2339
01:36:24,540 --> 01:36:21,460
little book that is just one description

2340
01:36:26,220 --> 01:36:24,550
of what this universal evil that's been

2341
01:36:28,770 --> 01:36:26,230
reported by every culture throughout

2342
01:36:30,750 --> 01:36:28,780
time whether Christian or not why do we

2343
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:30,760
need to jam it back into the Christian

2344
01:36:38,820 --> 01:36:35,850
narrative you have atheist reporters and

2345
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:38,830
investigative journalists for example

2346
01:36:46,820 --> 01:36:43,930
George from Cabot org Dave McGowan who

2347
01:36:50,190 --> 01:36:46,830
have reported satanic ritual abuse

2348
01:36:52,380 --> 01:36:50,200
people who are either agnostic or don't

2349
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:52,390
believe in God a religion period they

2350
01:36:58,200 --> 01:36:54,970
definitely don't believe in Christianity

2351
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:58,210
like myself they came to the same

2352
01:37:04,230 --> 01:36:59,920
conclusion that the leads are

2353
01:37:06,570 --> 01:37:04,240
participating in satanic ritual abuse

2354
01:37:10,140 --> 01:37:06,580
seyton primarily being the adversary in

2355
01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:10,150
the old testament and the adversary and

2356
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:12,430
the new testament so my question to you

2357
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:15,970
is to throw it back is yes I'm I frame

2358
01:37:19,890 --> 01:37:17,770
it as such because of my own personal

2359
01:37:22,650 --> 01:37:19,900
faith and my own personal beliefs as

2360
01:37:25,770 --> 01:37:22,660
being satanic ritual abuse and I'd ask

2361
01:37:29,790 --> 01:37:25,780
you why don't you frame it as why do you

2362
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:29,800
use the term satanic when why wouldn't

2363
01:37:36,350 --> 01:37:32,170
you just use ritual abuse why wouldn't

2364
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:36,360
you just use religious ritual abuse

2365
01:37:41,730 --> 01:37:39,610
those people look at it objectively who

2366
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:41,740
are not Christian and seen as such with

2367
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:44,170
the inverted pentagrams the reference is

2368
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:47,770
the Satan that the world elite use so if

2369
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:53,520
they look at it as that then I mean I

2370
01:37:57,690 --> 01:37:56,410
got you there ejective as they are as

2371
01:37:59,490 --> 01:37:57,700
ejected is there because they're not

2372
01:38:02,550 --> 01:37:59,500
looking at it through my lens now

2373
01:38:06,090 --> 01:38:02,560
granted do I do my best to look at it

2374
01:38:09,260 --> 01:38:06,100
objectively outside of my faith yes do I

2375
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:09,270
believe ultimately - this all leads to

2376
01:38:13,740 --> 01:38:11,920
Christianity to some degree or Judaism

2377
01:38:15,810 --> 01:38:13,750
as far as the beliefs in Satan the

2378
01:38:18,780 --> 01:38:15,820
beliefs of good and evil God versus

2379
01:38:21,540 --> 01:38:18,790
Satan yeah I do but someone like Dave

2380
01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:21,550
McGowan that's not the case some of my

2381
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:22,780
George from cavador

2382
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:26,050
that's not the case now russ dizdar yes

2383
01:38:30,060 --> 01:38:28,210
he's a Christian so he's gonna look at

2384
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:30,070
it through that lens but these other

2385
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:32,800
people who are not are also because the

2386
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:35,410
elites practice it in such that regard

2387
01:38:42,380 --> 01:38:39,010
look at it and through that lens - as

2388
01:38:45,300 --> 01:38:42,390
well so again what do you have to say

2389
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:45,310
thank you thank you for teeing up an

2390
01:38:52,290 --> 01:38:49,290
excellent question I in this vast

2391
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:52,300
unplowed field that exists out there

2392
01:39:01,140 --> 01:38:56,800
between atheism and Christianity or some

2393
01:39:03,570 --> 01:39:01,150
other dogmatic religious belief John you

2394
01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:03,580
know I have a ton of respect like I've

2395
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:04,990
already said for the work that you've

2396
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,360
done here's where I'm coming at it from

2397
01:39:11,370 --> 01:39:09,520
and you know this from having listened

2398
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:11,380
to some of the skeptical episodes yes of

2399
01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:14,170
course I have no doubt that Christ

2400
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:17,680
consciousness is real I

2401
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:19,930
don't know what Christ consciousness is

2402
01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:23,170
but I accept the scientific data that

2403
01:39:28,980 --> 01:39:25,540
leads us to the conclusion that

2404
01:39:30,570 --> 01:39:28,990
consciousness does exist it's real we

2405
01:39:32,970 --> 01:39:30,580
are not biological robots in a

2406
01:39:35,250 --> 01:39:32,980
meaningless universe and the other data

2407
01:39:39,150 --> 01:39:35,260
that you just get to scientifically

2408
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:39,160
which is that near-death experience is

2409
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:42,130
real right so we have the best

2410
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:44,170
cardiologist in the world and

2411
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:46,890
resuscitation experts and radiation

2412
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:50,050
oncologist 200 peer-reviewed journals

2413
01:39:53,850 --> 01:39:51,850
and they're all telling us the same

2414
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:53,860
thing that consciousness seems to

2415
01:39:59,460 --> 01:39:56,490
survive bodily death in a way that

2416
01:40:01,710 --> 01:39:59,470
completely blows our understanding of

2417
01:40:04,980 --> 01:40:01,720
this brain based consciousness apart

2418
01:40:08,610 --> 01:40:04,990
that then leads us to taking seriously

2419
01:40:11,550 --> 01:40:08,620
the accounts of the near-death

2420
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:11,560
experience yes now many of those

2421
01:40:20,250 --> 01:40:14,800
accounts as you know point to the

2422
01:40:22,980 --> 01:40:20,260
reality of a Christian experience but if

2423
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:22,990
you take the full body of that knowledge

2424
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:25,920
it points to that not being an

2425
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:29,530
exclusively true club what seems to

2426
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:32,530
emerge and this isn't a huge leap but

2427
01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:34,570
it's just where the data has taken me is

2428
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:39,940
that we are co-creators of reality that

2429
01:40:45,660 --> 01:40:42,880
there is this greater good there is this

2430
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:45,670
light that we can access and we are

2431
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:47,050
co-creators of it

2432
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:50,110
so of course Christianity and in

2433
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:52,960
particular Christ consciousness which I

2434
01:40:58,140 --> 01:40:56,290
maintain is all any Christian can ever

2435
01:40:58,980 --> 01:40:58,150
talk about because the books are

2436
01:41:03,180 --> 01:40:58,990
hopeless

2437
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:03,190
no intelligently thinking Christian

2438
01:41:09,780 --> 01:41:07,360
really relies on literal scripture it

2439
01:41:12,660 --> 01:41:09,790
just doesn't make sense unbearably what

2440
01:41:14,670 --> 01:41:12,670
they say and what I respect is I have a

2441
01:41:16,710 --> 01:41:14,680
personal relationship with Jesus which

2442
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:16,720
means I have a personal relationship

2443
01:41:19,890 --> 01:41:18,970
with Christ consciousness great I have

2444
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,900
up on the screen

2445
01:41:24,180 --> 01:41:22,000
multiple people I've interviewed let me

2446
01:41:26,430 --> 01:41:24,190
interject I used to have your train of

2447
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:26,440
thought I used to be Gnostic in my

2448
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:29,770
beliefs a prized consciousness blends in

2449
01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:31,730
to Gnosticism going

2450
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:35,790
but I understand that I have no problem

2451
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:37,110
with you questioning mine I have no

2452
01:41:40,940 --> 01:41:38,370
issue with that whatsoever

2453
01:41:43,790 --> 01:41:40,950
great so you know there's no protected

2454
01:41:48,890 --> 01:41:43,800
belief system here and in the court of

2455
01:41:51,470 --> 01:41:48,900
public appearance at matters to your

2456
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:51,480
credibility and so what what matters to

2457
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:53,730
me is what you just said you you kind of

2458
01:41:59,660 --> 01:41:57,600
Miss characterized by I told you that my

2459
01:42:01,400 --> 01:41:59,670
belief in extended consciousness and

2460
01:42:03,770 --> 01:42:01,410
again I got four hundred shows that

2461
01:42:05,870 --> 01:42:03,780
document my long progression into

2462
01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:05,880
understanding one that consciousness

2463
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:08,450
exists and that the atheistic

2464
01:42:15,980 --> 01:42:11,760
materialistic mean that we're I think is

2465
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:15,990
is purposely perpetrated in order to

2466
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:18,480
prevent us provide a blockage for us

2467
01:42:23,150 --> 01:42:21,210
really accessing extended consciousness

2468
01:42:25,460 --> 01:42:23,160
and a broader understanding of that but

2469
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:25,470
then you never really responded to my

2470
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:28,770
observation that there is no reason to

2471
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:31,290
limit those extended consciousness

2472
01:42:36,110 --> 01:42:34,560
realms to christian only and as a matter

2473
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:36,120
of fact you know all the near-death

2474
01:42:40,970 --> 01:42:39,330
experience accounts they are not Gnostic

2475
01:42:43,340 --> 01:42:40,980
in the way that you're talking about

2476
01:42:44,750 --> 01:42:43,350
they just aren't your mischaracterizing

2477
01:42:46,670 --> 01:42:44,760
them but you're framing it as Christ

2478
01:42:49,220 --> 01:42:46,680
consciousness and that is Gnosticism

2479
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:49,230
cubed up that's your understanding of my

2480
01:42:54,050 --> 01:42:51,930
word Christ consciousness you can define

2481
01:42:57,290 --> 01:42:54,060
it as not so you're just you're just

2482
01:42:59,780 --> 01:42:57,300
fighting as human consciousness no I'm

2483
01:43:01,010 --> 01:42:59,790
saying look here's what I'm hearing is

2484
01:43:03,050 --> 01:43:01,020
that we have a soul that we have a

2485
01:43:05,170 --> 01:43:03,060
spirit that there is an afterlife of

2486
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:05,180
some sort right or am I not mistaking

2487
01:43:14,050 --> 01:43:09,360
mistaken okay what I'm saying is that I

2488
01:43:17,780 --> 01:43:14,060
don't understand consciousness I do

2489
01:43:21,190 --> 01:43:17,790
understand from the data that it's

2490
01:43:24,770 --> 01:43:21,200
obvious that we have an awareness of

2491
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:24,780
what we are and that I would call

2492
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:28,410
consciousness and I'm also persuaded by

2493
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:31,560
the data that that awareness extends

2494
01:43:38,780 --> 01:43:35,850
beyond our bodily death that realm and

2495
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:38,790
extends beyond our body that realm of

2496
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:42,320
extension I call extended consciousness

2497
01:43:48,210 --> 01:43:45,010
now in that extended conscious

2498
01:43:51,380 --> 01:43:48,220
this realm it's people are consistently

2499
01:43:55,410 --> 01:43:51,390
reporting that they are encountering all

2500
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:55,420
kinds of spiritual beings some of them

2501
01:44:03,150 --> 01:44:00,480
appear to be benevolent guardian angels

2502
01:44:05,670 --> 01:44:03,160
relatives that are seem to be

2503
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:05,680
cooperating and helping people in

2504
01:44:10,110 --> 01:44:08,560
meaningful ways in their life and they

2505
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:10,120
come back and their life is transformed

2506
01:44:15,660 --> 01:44:12,880
or their life is healed so we have other

2507
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:15,670
ways that is just normal common sense

2508
01:44:22,140 --> 01:44:18,370
people we would say gee that seems like

2509
01:44:24,630 --> 01:44:22,150
the benevolent cooperation of a spirit

2510
01:44:27,090 --> 01:44:24,640
in an extended realm without jamming

2511
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:27,100
that into some fricking Christian or

2512
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:30,250
Muslim or Buddhist thing that just seems

2513
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:32,770
to be happening my use of the term

2514
01:44:40,260 --> 01:44:36,370
Christ consciousness is derived from the

2515
01:44:43,170 --> 01:44:40,270
fact that people say in that extended

2516
01:44:47,130 --> 01:44:43,180
realm they have reported needing the

2517
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:47,140
spiritual being that they understand at

2518
01:44:54,270 --> 01:44:51,250
that time to be Jesus Christ of the

2519
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:54,280
Christian tradition of the Bible so that

2520
01:44:58,860 --> 01:44:56,650
is the way I'm using Christ

2521
01:45:02,100 --> 01:44:58,870
consciousness for those specific people

2522
01:45:04,890 --> 01:45:02,110
that that is their report I don't know

2523
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:04,900
what to make of their report so then I'm

2524
01:45:10,350 --> 01:45:07,450
leaping to the next level in saying it

2525
01:45:12,930 --> 01:45:10,360
doesn't take a genius to say there seems

2526
01:45:15,300 --> 01:45:12,940
to be good and bad in this extended

2527
01:45:17,730 --> 01:45:15,310
consciousness realm we seem to be

2528
01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:17,740
co-creators of this extended

2529
01:45:22,170 --> 01:45:20,110
consciousness realm we can create the

2530
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:22,180
good we can look to the light we can

2531
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:24,400
ascend and do good things with our

2532
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:28,090
spirit or it seems to be the truth the

2533
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:30,880
reality that we just talked about that

2534
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:34,210
we can connect and identify with this

2535
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:38,400
need for satisfying this material

2536
01:45:46,230 --> 01:45:41,920
existence here there's wanting of things

2537
01:45:48,030 --> 01:45:46,240
of power of sex of money of control and

2538
01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:48,040
this fear of death

2539
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:51,790
this fear of annihilation of this ego

2540
01:45:56,110 --> 01:45:55,570
little mini-me that I've created that I

2541
01:45:59,140 --> 01:45:56,120
don't

2542
01:46:03,160 --> 01:45:59,150
that that seems to me so much broader

2543
01:46:06,370 --> 01:46:03,170
than this narrowly little defined one

2544
01:46:08,650 --> 01:46:06,380
religion kind of thing it once assumes

2545
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:08,660
the other I don't know why we want to

2546
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:10,610
try and jam it back in the other but

2547
01:46:15,550 --> 01:46:12,530
again I don't want to get distracted

2548
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:15,560
that is just my read of the data John I

2549
01:46:20,860 --> 01:46:18,410
don't I don't know how one pulls that

2550
01:46:22,740 --> 01:46:20,870
data part any differently what I don't

2551
01:46:28,410 --> 01:46:22,750
get it

2552
01:46:33,420 --> 01:46:30,820
explain to me satanic ritual abuse

2553
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:33,430
without using the Christian lens then of

2554
01:46:38,710 --> 01:46:35,810
people saying that inverted pentagrams

2555
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:38,720
of you for used Satanism is involved

2556
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:42,320
that they're invoking demons if it's not

2557
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:46,400
that then you know if it's not that then

2558
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:50,810
I want to know how you see it because

2559
01:46:56,170 --> 01:46:52,370
there are many people who are giving

2560
01:46:58,360 --> 01:46:56,180
that narrative let me give an attempt at

2561
01:47:00,670 --> 01:46:58,370
it and the last thing I want to do is

2562
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:00,680
sound like I know anything here cuz I

2563
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:03,290
don't but this is a topic that I am

2564
01:47:07,900 --> 01:47:05,570
going to dive into further and further

2565
01:47:10,660 --> 01:47:07,910
because again to me it's the unclogged

2566
01:47:13,870 --> 01:47:10,670
field and this whole spirituality

2567
01:47:16,180 --> 01:47:13,880
extended consciousness I pulled up on

2568
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:16,190
the screen if you can ignore Joe at well

2569
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:17,810
because I know you hate him I want to

2570
01:47:22,930 --> 01:47:20,000
point you don't okay I don't hate him as

2571
01:47:26,740 --> 01:47:22,940
a person I just dislike a lot of his

2572
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:26,750
reasoning I'm gonna draw your attention

2573
01:47:32,230 --> 01:47:29,330
to the book by Richard Smalley who was

2574
01:47:33,580 --> 01:47:32,240
on the show how God became God one of

2575
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:33,590
the things that I think is interesting

2576
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:37,760
about this Oxford trained theologian

2577
01:47:41,950 --> 01:47:40,250
they're just researcher really it was

2578
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:41,960
just written all these terrific books he

2579
01:47:49,540 --> 01:47:44,330
was very scholarly guy as he goes back

2580
01:47:54,010 --> 01:47:49,550
and he traces the kind of very early pre

2581
01:47:58,750 --> 01:47:54,020
Torah Judaic documents and what he finds

2582
01:48:02,350 --> 01:47:58,760
is no Satan so he finds all the stories

2583
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:02,360
that wind up in the Torah in the Old

2584
01:48:08,710 --> 01:48:05,330
Testament with Satan in him but he finds

2585
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:08,720
him with no Satan now let me ask you so

2586
01:48:13,210 --> 01:48:10,010
question about that does he

2587
01:48:15,340 --> 01:48:13,220
Joe possibly being written first and how

2588
01:48:18,700 --> 01:48:15,350
Satan is shown there as to be the

2589
01:48:20,290 --> 01:48:18,710
adversary but as an agent of God to to

2590
01:48:21,790 --> 01:48:20,300
challenge Joe because I have not

2591
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:21,800
listened to an interview Loretta's book

2592
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:23,600
so I don't know but I would assume that

2593
01:48:28,210 --> 01:48:25,090
is one of the conclusions that he makes

2594
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:28,220
you know I can't tell you that at the

2595
01:48:31,480 --> 01:48:29,570
top of my head but I hope to have him

2596
01:48:33,010 --> 01:48:31,490
back on and I will ask him that exact

2597
01:48:36,630 --> 01:48:33,020
question but that doesn't directly

2598
01:48:40,260 --> 01:48:36,640
answer your question the direct answer

2599
01:48:44,230 --> 01:48:40,270
for me in your question is of course

2600
01:48:48,370 --> 01:48:44,240
Satan is real because we are co-creators

2601
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:48,380
of that reality can shape themselves

2602
01:48:55,900 --> 01:48:52,850
into whatever our mind shapes them this

2603
01:48:58,240 --> 01:48:55,910
idea is repeated over and over in a lot

2604
01:49:00,700 --> 01:48:58,250
of great spiritual traditions and in a

2605
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:00,710
lot of esoteric traditions and it just

2606
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:03,170
seems to be a reality of the universe we

2607
01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:06,170
are co-creators so if your thought-form

2608
01:49:15,190 --> 01:49:11,020
goes to satan yes you will find

2609
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:15,200
connection and the way I always put it

2610
01:49:23,310 --> 01:49:20,080
is as below so above I mean can you find

2611
01:49:27,820 --> 01:49:23,320
creepy people who are want to do

2612
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:27,830
horribly pathetic psychopathic things

2613
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:31,130
can you find them in this world you

2614
01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:33,890
certainly can like Ted Bundy and I know

2615
01:49:36,610 --> 01:49:35,150
you've heard the story and I heard of

2616
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:36,620
that Ed opperman I don't want thredUP

2617
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:38,210
herman on the bus he does a lot of

2618
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:40,400
really great stuff but the story I love

2619
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:42,890
about Ted Bundy is Ted Bundy isn't in

2620
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:45,290
deceit antics yet he's into doing the

2621
01:49:51,940 --> 01:49:48,050
most evil he's connected with some evil

2622
01:49:53,980 --> 01:49:51,950
spiritual force that is you know aligned

2623
01:49:57,610 --> 01:49:53,990
with him as he's done these evil deeds

2624
01:50:00,280 --> 01:49:57,620
but is he open to satanic stuff when he

2625
01:50:02,230 --> 01:50:00,290
encounters another guy along his journey

2626
01:50:04,990 --> 01:50:02,240
and I forget the guys name he says oh

2627
01:50:06,910 --> 01:50:05,000
yeah man I'll tell you how to double

2628
01:50:09,490 --> 01:50:06,920
down on the power that you're tapping

2629
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:09,500
into you here it is do this ritual do

2630
01:50:16,570 --> 01:50:12,560
this and Ted Bundy's like why the hell

2631
01:50:20,270 --> 01:50:16,580
not I mean I'm already my soul if you

2632
01:50:22,189 --> 01:50:20,280
will is already at that level why

2633
01:50:23,899 --> 01:50:22,199
be open to that I think that ties back

2634
01:50:25,970 --> 01:50:23,909
to what you're talking about that you

2635
01:50:28,609 --> 01:50:25,980
know you go to the party with King you

2636
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:28,619
go to a party with Epstein you know

2637
01:50:35,629 --> 01:50:32,730
you're already sunk your battleship man

2638
01:50:38,029 --> 01:50:35,639
so I don't know that's my that's my

2639
01:50:40,250 --> 01:50:38,039
understanding of yes there's a reality

2640
01:50:42,589 --> 01:50:40,260
to it and you are a co-creator of that

2641
01:50:44,450 --> 01:50:42,599
reality so it's the satanic stuff

2642
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:44,460
someone asked your question Alex do you

2643
01:50:49,879 --> 01:50:47,250
believe in a higher power and Nagada and

2644
01:50:51,169 --> 01:50:49,889
a creator I'm just curious well let me

2645
01:50:53,810 --> 01:50:51,179
take what I just said

2646
01:51:00,520 --> 01:50:53,820
well no outside of ourselves do you

2647
01:51:06,830 --> 01:51:02,479
see that's the problem with the

2648
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:06,840
Christian thing you know Who am I to

2649
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:12,210
presuppose that I understand the mind of

2650
01:51:17,060 --> 01:51:15,449
God no I'm saying is there a creator

2651
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:17,070
separate from yours that's not just from

2652
01:51:20,419 --> 01:51:18,570
the Christian lens that is from many

2653
01:51:21,979 --> 01:51:20,429
different religions and I guess that's

2654
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:21,989
my point John wanted me to be combative

2655
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:24,690
because you're fantastic buddy and you

2656
01:51:30,260 --> 01:51:26,070
got to keep doing what you're doing I

2657
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,270
think that overreaches my knowledge like

2658
01:51:35,450 --> 01:51:32,880
one of the things I take stock in is the

2659
01:51:38,540 --> 01:51:35,460
fact that so many people who reach this

2660
01:51:40,370 --> 01:51:38,550
extended consciousness realm have this

2661
01:51:42,859 --> 01:51:40,380
download of information have this

2662
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:42,869
all-knowing but then they're not able to

2663
01:51:49,609 --> 01:51:45,840
maintain it I don't think in my you know

2664
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:49,619
in my physical body I'm able to

2665
01:51:56,660 --> 01:51:53,520
understand the mind of God in enough to

2666
01:52:00,379 --> 01:51:56,670
understand what that means

2667
01:52:03,290 --> 01:52:00,389
in terms of God what I do think one of

2668
01:52:06,979 --> 01:52:03,300
my working things is that the secret to

2669
01:52:09,770 --> 01:52:06,989
the ascent is to always look up and that

2670
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:09,780
answers the question for me I need to

2671
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:14,610
ascend my soul needs to ascend I need to

2672
01:52:21,290 --> 01:52:18,690
do good things have good thoughts I need

2673
01:52:23,540 --> 01:52:21,300
to emanate the love that I see coming

2674
01:52:26,660 --> 01:52:23,550
through these people that are

2675
01:52:28,759 --> 01:52:26,670
transformed by these experiences that's

2676
01:52:31,220 --> 01:52:28,769
where I need to be and that's really

2677
01:52:34,069 --> 01:52:31,230
simple it's just not that complicated I

2678
01:52:37,579 --> 01:52:34,079
don't need to understand God I

2679
01:52:41,239 --> 01:52:37,589
just need to be more like these people

2680
01:52:44,869 --> 01:52:41,249
that are emanating all that stuff that

2681
01:52:47,509 --> 01:52:44,879
seems to be godlike and I need to not do

2682
01:52:51,279 --> 01:52:47,519
the stuff oh that all these people do

2683
01:52:53,899 --> 01:52:51,289
that seem to be emanating this satanic

2684
01:52:56,529 --> 01:52:53,909
devil bad stuff

2685
01:52:59,179 --> 01:52:56,539
it ain't that freaking complicated I

2686
01:53:01,040 --> 01:52:59,189
can't I can't say that you can't do good

2687
01:53:02,659 --> 01:53:01,050
not you know being a Christian like an

2688
01:53:04,729 --> 01:53:02,669
atheist kid not a my senior atheist but

2689
01:53:07,939 --> 01:53:04,739
just using that as an example cannot do

2690
01:53:10,009 --> 01:53:07,949
good works I mean it happens but you

2691
01:53:11,629 --> 01:53:10,019
know the only the only difference

2692
01:53:14,449 --> 01:53:11,639
between me and you and that relief is

2693
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:14,459
it's it's faith bursts vs. works faith

2694
01:53:21,379 --> 01:53:17,449
in God versus you know works as far as

2695
01:53:23,929 --> 01:53:21,389
you know as far as your soul we're going

2696
01:53:27,829 --> 01:53:23,939
to be after well why would you want to

2697
01:53:29,060 --> 01:53:27,839
have faith why not have doubt doubt is

2698
01:53:31,699 --> 01:53:29,070
the most spiritual thing

2699
01:53:33,739 --> 01:53:31,709
faith is decided I just you know one I

2700
01:53:35,779 --> 01:53:33,749
just spoke recently with that's not

2701
01:53:38,089 --> 01:53:35,789
necessarily true Christian spoke with

2702
01:53:40,689 --> 01:53:38,099
this woman who's in the ramp thought

2703
01:53:43,219 --> 01:53:40,699
cult you know and I kind of told her

2704
01:53:44,599 --> 01:53:43,229
skeptical inquiry to perpetuate doubt

2705
01:53:49,129 --> 01:53:44,609
and she goes oh no I don't have any

2706
01:53:51,979 --> 01:53:49,139
doubt I know I know because I hold hold

2707
01:53:53,359 --> 01:53:51,989
on did you talk to Jay Jay Jay Z Knight

2708
01:53:54,679 --> 01:53:53,369
the head of the Rancho School of

2709
01:53:58,009 --> 01:53:54,689
Enlightenment or someone that was in a

2710
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:58,019
disciple let's talk about that off of

2711
01:54:02,869 --> 01:54:01,679
this but take this part off I mean to be

2712
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:02,879
saying that but let's talk about let's

2713
01:54:06,919 --> 01:54:05,609
talk about that off air sometime I don't

2714
01:54:09,139 --> 01:54:06,929
know what we talked about off there it's

2715
01:54:11,209 --> 01:54:09,149
a cult no I mean me and you let's talk

2716
01:54:13,399 --> 01:54:11,219
about it off air sometimes their

2717
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:13,409
connections to pushing Q and you know

2718
01:54:17,540 --> 01:54:15,599
and them LARPing the stuff since the

2719
01:54:18,829 --> 01:54:17,550
1990s and everything and then pushing

2720
01:54:21,529 --> 01:54:18,839
trumpet we'll talk about off that I'm

2721
01:54:24,799 --> 01:54:21,539
happy to but the the bottom line to me

2722
01:54:26,540 --> 01:54:24,809
is Christianity you know here's the I

2723
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:26,550
guess the hard the hard edge question

2724
01:54:30,469 --> 01:54:29,129
related to this is that and I think a

2725
01:54:34,129 --> 01:54:30,479
lot of people would see it this way so

2726
01:54:37,489 --> 01:54:34,139
I'm not like uniquely pushing this but

2727
01:54:41,029 --> 01:54:37,499
what's been revealed so far particularly

2728
01:54:43,719 --> 01:54:41,039
like the Catholic Church thing or this

2729
01:54:47,810 --> 01:54:43,729
interview I did with Kevin and that

2730
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:47,820
former minister for the church Canada

2731
01:54:54,439 --> 01:54:51,090
all these horrible crimes evil Church

2732
01:54:58,280 --> 01:54:54,449
against I mean the pedo Pope

2733
01:55:01,780 --> 01:54:58,290
none of that stuff from the optics from

2734
01:55:05,180 --> 01:55:01,790
the high-level would lead people to your

2735
01:55:08,180 --> 01:55:05,190
understanding of Christianity how how

2736
01:55:11,089 --> 01:55:08,190
you try and rescue Christianity from

2737
01:55:15,439 --> 01:55:11,099
that mess if it's much better with

2738
01:55:17,629 --> 01:55:15,449
that's not Christianity though it's the

2739
01:55:19,459 --> 01:55:17,639
same as me saying you know was your

2740
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:19,469
child ever at a daycare or a public

2741
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:22,290
school or a school period you know it's

2742
01:55:29,930 --> 01:55:24,960
really not because the Catholic Church

2743
01:55:31,399 --> 01:55:29,940
is the church right before a few years

2744
01:55:33,439 --> 01:55:31,409
ago there wasn't even any other

2745
01:55:34,580 --> 01:55:33,449
Christian Church other than the Catholic

2746
01:55:36,890 --> 01:55:34,590
Church but it from it's very inception

2747
01:55:40,010 --> 01:55:36,900
it wasn't like that though that's the

2748
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:40,020
corruption of the of the the fruit of

2749
01:55:44,510 --> 01:55:42,570
the tree no one's arguing here now that

2750
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:44,520
you're not gonna have bad faith factors

2751
01:55:47,780 --> 01:55:46,320
within any religion I mean you could say

2752
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:47,790
the same thing about Islam you can see

2753
01:55:51,740 --> 01:55:49,530
thing hecka what about when I did my

2754
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:51,750
series tracking their abuse throughout

2755
01:55:56,200 --> 01:55:53,130
our religions and the abuse that

2756
01:55:59,000 --> 01:55:56,210
occurred in Buddhist temples Buddhism

2757
01:56:01,160 --> 01:55:59,010
farthest from that but it's John that

2758
01:56:02,870 --> 01:56:01,170
supports that supports what I'm saying

2759
01:56:05,629 --> 01:56:02,880
it doesn't support what you're saying

2760
01:56:09,410 --> 01:56:05,639
but it happens and it happens outside of

2761
01:56:09,859 --> 01:56:09,420
religion to its point but that's my

2762
01:56:11,930 --> 01:56:09,869
point

2763
01:56:14,510 --> 01:56:11,940
again this is what Christians don't get

2764
01:56:16,220 --> 01:56:14,520
because there's so it's all apologetics

2765
01:56:17,569 --> 01:56:16,230
it's all bringing it back and jamming it

2766
01:56:20,990 --> 01:56:17,579
I'm not saying that there haven't been

2767
01:56:22,339 --> 01:56:21,000
evil things that have happened you're

2768
01:56:23,959 --> 01:56:22,349
not hearing my point I'm probably not

2769
01:56:26,959 --> 01:56:23,969
hearing your point but here's my point

2770
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:26,969
is that just optics just looking at from

2771
01:56:30,260 --> 01:56:28,290
the big picture like I was talking about

2772
01:56:31,939 --> 01:56:30,270
in the narrative with you know why do we

2773
01:56:35,300 --> 01:56:31,949
have to explore these silly narratives

2774
01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:35,310
that the guy who's gonna defend the the

2775
01:56:38,359 --> 01:56:37,110
finders cult saying oh yeah well it's

2776
01:56:40,490 --> 01:56:38,369
we're teaching this three-year-old

2777
01:56:42,260 --> 01:56:40,500
animal husbandry and that's why we dip

2778
01:56:43,729 --> 01:56:42,270
their hands in the blood and you know

2779
01:56:45,050 --> 01:56:43,739
made him do it you know it's like that's

2780
01:56:49,250 --> 01:56:45,060
a crazy story

2781
01:56:51,919 --> 01:56:49,260
so I it's equally crazy to me to say oh

2782
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:51,929
yeah well all these Christian groups in

2783
01:56:59,060 --> 01:56:55,440
the largest Christian sect of the cult

2784
01:57:01,520 --> 01:56:59,070
in in history the Catholics seemed to be

2785
01:57:04,250 --> 01:57:01,530
systemic Lee institutionally in

2786
01:57:07,370 --> 01:57:04,260
volved with sex crimes against children

2787
01:57:09,470 --> 01:57:07,380
but that doesn't matter there's a truer

2788
01:57:11,180 --> 01:57:09,480
christianity behind it Kevin and net

2789
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:11,190
comes on and says oh yeah it's not just

2790
01:57:15,530 --> 01:57:13,410
the Catholics in Canada here it's the

2791
01:57:17,870 --> 01:57:15,540
Church of Canada and I have proof of it

2792
01:57:20,420 --> 01:57:17,880
oh but that doesn't shed but that

2793
01:57:22,220 --> 01:57:20,430
doesn't reflect poorly on Christianity

2794
01:57:24,740 --> 01:57:22,230
you know Jesus is still working behind

2795
01:57:25,580 --> 01:57:24,750
all this it doesn't it just doesn't

2796
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:25,590
really add up

2797
01:57:32,450 --> 01:57:28,170
it doesn't really are you an American

2798
01:57:34,250 --> 01:57:32,460
citizen yes what about all the crimes at

2799
01:57:36,500 --> 01:57:34,260
the height okay I believe in the

2800
01:57:39,290 --> 01:57:36,510
American people as me being an American

2801
01:57:41,330 --> 01:57:39,300
citizen I believe in the ideals of the

2802
01:57:44,420 --> 01:57:41,340
American people what the American people

2803
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:44,430
stand for you know but when you look at

2804
01:57:48,590 --> 01:57:46,410
America as a whole the founding fathers

2805
01:57:51,470 --> 01:57:48,600
majority of them were Masons majority of

2806
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:51,480
them practiced you know a lot of things

2807
01:57:58,100 --> 01:57:53,010
that we would find just as in Horan

2808
01:57:59,900 --> 01:57:58,110
today as as you know our elites do now

2809
01:58:02,210 --> 01:57:59,910
okay so you're telling me

2810
01:58:04,130 --> 01:58:02,220
well yeah hi you know the hide the

2811
01:58:06,950 --> 01:58:04,140
Christian you know belief that you have

2812
01:58:08,780 --> 01:58:06,960
the Pope you have you know the the

2813
01:58:10,730 --> 01:58:08,790
crimes of the Southern Baptist Church to

2814
01:58:12,170 --> 01:58:10,740
the CMP like judge pop wrestler and

2815
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,180
stuff like that you have all these

2816
01:58:15,980 --> 01:58:14,880
scandals within Christianity there for

2817
01:58:19,070 --> 01:58:15,990
you you know

2818
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:19,080
there's also good fruits for example

2819
01:58:25,370 --> 01:58:21,570
what about the work that I have done as

2820
01:58:27,500 --> 01:58:25,380
a Christian or my mutt my best friend's

2821
01:58:29,450 --> 01:58:27,510
mother down the street who's a Catholic

2822
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:29,460
who has no idea what happens at the top

2823
01:58:33,980 --> 01:58:31,890
of the Catholic Church but she spends

2824
01:58:36,590 --> 01:58:33,990
you know her weekends you know

2825
01:58:38,180 --> 01:58:36,600
volunteering and and being a good person

2826
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:38,190
and stuff like that and everything just

2827
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:40,890
fits better into my model than it does

2828
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:42,690
into your mom no it does it because

2829
01:58:45,740 --> 01:58:44,610
you're an American citizen I'm America

2830
01:58:49,340 --> 01:58:45,750
so we know that the American government

2831
01:58:52,190 --> 01:58:49,350
has done horrific crimes horrific crimes

2832
01:58:54,290 --> 01:58:52,200
but yet we still choose to be citizens

2833
01:58:56,630 --> 01:58:54,300
of this country in the hope that you

2834
01:58:58,280 --> 01:58:56,640
know one day that the good that the

2835
01:58:59,860 --> 01:58:58,290
American public have done will outweigh

2836
01:59:02,900 --> 01:58:59,870
the bad of what the government has done

2837
01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:02,910
yes there are corruption within God's

2838
01:59:08,930 --> 01:59:06,960
church there's no denying that just like

2839
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:08,940
there is corruption within any religion

2840
01:59:15,380 --> 01:59:13,530
so I mean that's not the tenets of

2841
01:59:17,390 --> 01:59:15,390
Christianity it just

2842
01:59:19,580 --> 01:59:17,400
like you know molestation and Buddhist

2843
01:59:24,350 --> 01:59:19,590
temples aren't the tenants of Buddhism

2844
01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:24,360
so or the or the or the ritual abuse

2845
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:26,130
that happens in the mikvah baths

2846
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:32,610
I mean you can throw stones I'm not I

2847
01:59:36,470 --> 01:59:34,650
just talked about Judas right there I'm

2848
01:59:38,810 --> 01:59:36,480
right there with you how about the fact

2849
01:59:42,380 --> 01:59:38,820
that most British most Buddhist cults

2850
01:59:45,140 --> 01:59:42,390
have not insects have not been open to

2851
01:59:46,940 --> 01:59:45,150
the or ordaining women I mean how do you

2852
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:46,950
make any sense out of that it doesn't

2853
01:59:50,120 --> 01:59:47,730
make any sense

2854
01:59:51,380 --> 01:59:50,130
again we got to wrap things up because

2855
01:59:54,140 --> 01:59:51,390
you got me don't you've been so generous

2856
02:00:00,190 --> 01:59:54,150
with all your time here but it does not

2857
02:00:03,710 --> 02:00:00,200
to me just take a step back it is not a

2858
02:00:06,350 --> 02:00:03,720
supportive of your exclusively Christian

2859
02:00:08,630 --> 02:00:06,360
only Jesus is orchestrating the whole

2860
02:00:11,030 --> 02:00:08,640
thing it's much more consistent with

2861
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:11,040
what I'm saying which is this stuff

2862
02:00:16,070 --> 02:00:13,530
isn't that hard to figure out we have to

2863
02:00:19,340 --> 02:00:16,080
ascend we have to try and raise our soul

2864
02:00:23,180 --> 02:00:19,350
to that higher consciousness that we all

2865
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:23,190
know from a curly kid you know the stuff

2866
02:00:28,580 --> 02:00:25,770
you're supposed to do it you don't need

2867
02:00:31,070 --> 02:00:28,590
Jesus it's like my friend Kevin and that

2868
02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:31,080
says why is the World Order doing their

2869
02:00:36,140 --> 02:00:33,090
darndest to frame anybody who's a

2870
02:00:38,870 --> 02:00:36,150
Christian like myself as someone who is

2871
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:38,880
just crazy lunatic insane if there was

2872
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:41,370
not some truth within the New Testament

2873
02:00:48,110 --> 02:00:44,370
that's a weird question how is that

2874
02:00:51,020 --> 02:00:48,120
ridiculous because they frame it as a

2875
02:00:53,570 --> 02:00:51,030
satanic panic they frame it as crazy

2876
02:00:56,150 --> 02:00:53,580
Christians that's what they agreement

2877
02:00:59,150 --> 02:00:56,160
that's right but the purpose for that is

2878
02:01:01,550 --> 02:00:59,160
is more again it's like all the stuff we

2879
02:01:03,890 --> 02:01:01,560
talk about here it's just more you know

2880
02:01:06,590 --> 02:01:03,900
why do they do why do they do

2881
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:06,600
brown-brown stoning because it advances

2882
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:10,770
their agenda so if your agenda is to

2883
02:01:17,830 --> 02:01:13,650
control everybody and if you're in

2884
02:01:19,850 --> 02:01:17,840
concert with the most evil malevolent

2885
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:19,860
spiritual forces which we don't

2886
02:01:22,730 --> 02:01:21,570
understand which I'm saying I don't

2887
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:22,740
understand do you understand because

2888
02:01:26,330 --> 02:01:24,330
they're all in your thing there I'm

2889
02:01:28,100 --> 02:01:26,340
saying I don't understand them but I can

2890
02:01:28,860 --> 02:01:28,110
understand how someone in partner shares

2891
02:01:31,710 --> 02:01:28,870
every

2892
02:01:33,090 --> 02:01:31,720
and I say that I did I can understand

2893
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:33,100
why someone in partnership with that

2894
02:01:39,090 --> 02:01:37,210
would completely object to to what

2895
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:39,100
you're saying because you're you're at

2896
02:01:42,390 --> 02:01:40,330
the end of the day you're doing the same

2897
02:01:44,550 --> 02:01:42,400
thing I do you're trying to ascend

2898
02:01:47,370 --> 02:01:44,560
you're trying to raise your vibration

2899
02:01:49,170 --> 02:01:47,380
you're trying to raise your soul what do

2900
02:01:50,850 --> 02:01:49,180
you like those terms are not that's what

2901
02:01:53,970 --> 02:01:50,860
you're trying to try to go to heaven yes

2902
02:01:55,170 --> 02:01:53,980
so they're against it they're against me

2903
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:55,180
as much as they're against you just

2904
02:01:58,500 --> 02:01:57,010
because I don't identify as a Christian

2905
02:01:59,940 --> 02:01:58,510
I didn't say they weren't I didn't say

2906
02:02:01,950 --> 02:01:59,950
they were not against you in that regard

2907
02:02:03,780 --> 02:02:01,960
as far as you trying to bring ritual

2908
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:03,790
satanic abuse alighted and so this like

2909
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:06,370
Dave McGowan was an atheist and they

2910
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:09,280
were against him or George I'm just

2911
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:11,050
saying is nationally though as a

2912
02:02:15,870 --> 02:02:13,570
collective they frame it specifically

2913
02:02:17,220 --> 02:02:15,880
against Christianity at least with here

2914
02:02:18,330 --> 02:02:17,230
in the United States and you can see it

2915
02:02:19,500 --> 02:02:18,340
also there with Europe now your

2916
02:02:20,970 --> 02:02:19,510
arguments that could be weird because

2917
02:02:22,770 --> 02:02:20,980
those are regional regions for

2918
02:02:24,690 --> 02:02:22,780
Christianity exists but there are

2919
02:02:27,870 --> 02:02:24,700
satanic ritual abuse cases throughout

2920
02:02:32,970 --> 02:02:27,880
the globe that are not in Christian

2921
02:02:37,170 --> 02:02:32,980
areas so you know again I we're you know

2922
02:02:40,620 --> 02:02:37,180
you and I are not going to are not going

2923
02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:40,630
to you know agree on this and we're just

2924
02:02:46,460 --> 02:02:43,690
we just won't and I do say the more that

2925
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:46,470
you the more that you investigate

2926
02:02:52,620 --> 02:02:50,410
satanic ritual abuse the more just just

2927
02:02:54,710 --> 02:02:52,630
be on the lookout for and just see how

2928
02:02:58,110 --> 02:02:54,720
many instances were there trying to

2929
02:03:04,230 --> 02:02:58,120
degrade Christianity specifically of

2930
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:04,240
course John is this book coming out

2931
02:03:09,330 --> 02:03:06,490
again our guest folks has been John

2932
02:03:12,390 --> 02:03:09,340
Britton you can find him at we read the

2933
02:03:15,090 --> 02:03:12,400
documents you can find many fantastic

2934
02:03:18,060 --> 02:03:15,100
interviews again it's a guy who does the

2935
02:03:21,260 --> 02:03:18,070
research so many of his interviews that

2936
02:03:23,910 --> 02:03:21,270
I've listened to have been extremely

2937
02:03:27,030 --> 02:03:23,920
fundamentally instructive for me and

2938
02:03:30,020 --> 02:03:27,040
understanding this so our little foray

2939
02:03:32,850 --> 02:03:30,030
into the Christian debate to me is

2940
02:03:35,130 --> 02:03:32,860
completely separate than the solid

2941
02:03:37,230 --> 02:03:35,140
research this guy is doing tell us more

2942
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:37,240
about this book when you think I know

2943
02:03:41,830 --> 02:03:39,010
it's a huge project when you think that

2944
02:03:44,620 --> 02:03:41,840
might be out and how people can follow

2945
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:44,630
your investigative work thank you Alex

2946
02:03:48,550 --> 02:03:46,130
again for having me on skeptical yeah

2947
02:03:52,450 --> 02:03:48,560
even though we had I did agree you know

2948
02:03:53,740 --> 02:03:52,460
how many call just just debating I still

2949
02:03:54,970 --> 02:03:53,750
you know appreciate you know your

2950
02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:54,980
friendship and appreciate you looking

2951
02:03:59,050 --> 02:03:57,290
into this and everything and and yeah

2952
02:04:00,820 --> 02:03:59,060
you guys can find me on we've read the

2953
02:04:01,270 --> 02:04:00,830
documents on YouTube we've read on

2954
02:04:03,850 --> 02:04:01,280
Twitter

2955
02:04:05,950 --> 02:04:03,860
hopefully this book will be out by the

2956
02:04:07,089 --> 02:04:05,960
end of this year I got about half of it

2957
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:07,099
read about one hundred and fifty hundred

2958
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:09,530
seventy pages but I'm still trying to

2959
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:11,570
track down some more people to interview

2960
02:04:16,390 --> 02:04:13,610
to the case to be able to get more

2961
02:04:18,370 --> 02:04:16,400
information about the overall finders

2962
02:04:19,899 --> 02:04:18,380
Nexus some people have not been able to

2963
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:19,909
fully been able to track down yet it's

2964
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:23,210
possible sometimes even using Spokeo and

2965
02:04:27,399 --> 02:04:26,090
and in certain websites to try to track

2966
02:04:29,020 --> 02:04:27,409
down people it could be quite difficult

2967
02:04:30,850 --> 02:04:29,030
but there are you know I still want to

2968
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:30,860
interview some of the children that were

2969
02:04:34,750 --> 02:04:32,810
put into custody down there Tallahassee

2970
02:04:36,310 --> 02:04:34,760
to try to get some information from the

2971
02:04:38,649 --> 02:04:36,320
finders Derek froze his interviewed

2972
02:04:40,750 --> 02:04:38,659
Robert Gardner Terrell and we've got an

2973
02:04:43,600 --> 02:04:40,760
interview with him on there just so I

2974
02:04:45,850 --> 02:04:43,610
want to you know ask them questions try

2975
02:04:47,709 --> 02:04:45,860
to gain more information and and also

2976
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:47,719
when it try to interview former FBI

2977
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:50,000
agent a fear of erroneous and you know

2978
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:51,650
so I still have interviews that I want

2979
02:04:55,479 --> 02:04:53,690
to do for the book to try to get to ask

2980
02:04:58,030 --> 02:04:55,489
questions to try to get more information

2981
02:05:00,040 --> 02:04:58,040
out there and hopefully it will be

2982
02:05:02,050 --> 02:05:00,050
tentatively I'm looking towards any this

2983
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:02,060
year for it to be out hopefully one of

2984
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:03,530
the things I love about your work like

2985
02:05:07,479 --> 02:05:05,690
you're gonna interview a female I can't

2986
02:05:12,280 --> 02:05:07,489
wait that it's not gonna be a friendly

2987
02:05:14,109 --> 02:05:12,290
interview right now it's most people are

2988
02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:14,119
not brave enough to do those you know so

2989
02:05:18,640 --> 02:05:16,130
that's very cool I hope you should

2990
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:18,650
probably won't do it you've done but I'm

2991
02:05:23,050 --> 02:05:20,690
gonna try yeah I have you've done other

2992
02:05:24,850 --> 02:05:23,060
ones with kind of non friendly so that's

2993
02:05:28,180 --> 02:05:24,860
that's real investigation

2994
02:05:29,919 --> 02:05:28,190
yes thank you Alex you're awesome John

2995
02:05:31,570 --> 02:05:29,929
thank you much for spending all this

2996
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:31,580
time with us and I'll try and put this

2997
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:33,770
into some form that people can maybe

2998
02:05:41,260 --> 02:05:38,560
understand thank you take care everybody

2999
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:41,270
thanks again to John person for joining

3000
02:05:46,030 --> 02:05:43,760
me today on skeptic oh one question I'd

3001
02:05:48,490 --> 02:05:46,040
have to tee up from this interview and

3002
02:05:50,979 --> 02:05:48,500
it's the follow-on question that we

3003
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:50,989
didn't get to to the end with all this

3004
02:05:55,120 --> 02:05:53,599
mounting evidence of satanic ritual

3005
02:05:58,510 --> 02:05:55,130
abuse

3006
02:06:01,660 --> 02:05:58,520
what are we to make of Satan and his

3007
02:06:04,140 --> 02:06:01,670
role and in particular what are we to

3008
02:06:07,780 --> 02:06:04,150
make of the very narrowly defined

3009
02:06:09,790 --> 02:06:07,790
Christian definition let me know your

3010
02:06:12,399 --> 02:06:09,800
thoughts as I mentioned at the beginning

3011
02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:12,409
of this show there's been somewhat of a

3012
02:06:19,090 --> 02:06:16,250
mass exodus from skeptical as I continue

3013
02:06:21,970 --> 02:06:19,100
to probe the topic of evil in all its

3014
02:06:24,399 --> 02:06:21,980
dimensions and I get that this is a

3015
02:06:26,830 --> 02:06:24,409
tough road so if you're with me if

3016
02:06:29,140 --> 02:06:26,840
you're still following along if you'd

3017
02:06:31,629 --> 02:06:29,150
like to jump in this dialogue and join

3018
02:06:34,419 --> 02:06:31,639
me please hop on over to the sceptical

3019
02:06:36,250 --> 02:06:34,429
form com leave me a note let me know

3020
02:06:38,530 --> 02:06:36,260
what you're thinking and let me know

3021
02:06:40,450 --> 02:06:38,540
your answer to that question I have a

3022
02:06:42,910 --> 02:06:40,460
number of great shows I think coming up

3023
02:06:45,870 --> 02:06:42,920
please stay with me for all of that till